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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by raspasov »

outworlder wrote: post #760
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. Agreed. I've been driving a Leaf since 2015 (two different generations by now) and the main reason that makes road trips unpalatable is NOT range. Not at all. Charging more often? Sure, whatever. Unless it's a business trip or a trip across the country it's fine. I've discovered some stuff I'd probably would never have otherwise, by routing via chargers in small towns. No, the…

>>> US highway speeds are crazy

Crazy as in high or low?

I-5 between San Francisco and LA is about ~70mph limit. That's ~113km/h.

A lot of highways in Europe are often at 130km/h sometimes going up to 140km/h limit.

P.S. And if you think those limits are even remotely observed, try a road trip in Italy or Bulgaria :P

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by [deleted] »

vel0city wrote: post #784
leesec wrote: post #623

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree in theory but no one has built in a similar sensor suite to Tesla or added a powerful enough computer chip in their cars. This roots back to Tesla treating the whole car like a unified piece of software and having much better programmatic control over it. I only mentioned autopilot because the leading EV does have it as an included feature and so when weighing options people might question why it's not there on…

It's not an included feature on the Teslas, it's a $10k option.

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mikeg8 »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #604
endisneigh wrote: post #118

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Ah yes, that's a good point. Other than tall or dirty objects, is there any reason to get a truck? Genuinely curious, because at some point I'll have kids and wonder what the trade-off is between minivan (more people) and truck (more hauling) is with an electric vehicle.

For a family, a minivan is very practical. Not only for your one, two, or more kids, who will easily be accommodated in a 7-seater or 8-seater (if you add the optional middle seat in row 2), but when taking their friends along to the park etc. My minivan is a Chrysler with the stow'n'go fold-down seats; in about 5 minutes I can fold all the passenger seats down into the floor and have 8' x 4' cargo space, which is mo…

One problem here though is the combo of family holiday and moving lots of objects. When you need all the mentioned cargo space, the van becomes a two-seater. A crew cab truck can move 5 adults comfortably as well as a full load in the bed. Huge advantage for camping. I know you can use roof storage on a van, but i'd argue its more of a hassle, with less capacity, and more dangerous as the vehicle is much more top heavy.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootsudo »

gpsx wrote: post #757
gilbetron wrote: post #262

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That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

Ford is supposedly coming out with a smaller pickup, the Ford Maverick, that I think is similar in size to the old Ranger.

but will be a horrible unibody truck

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bhauer »

aynyc wrote: post #639
aaronbeekay wrote: post #618

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Ford released the e-Transit before the Lightning! https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/e-transit/2022/

Wow, Ford is hitting the commercial market before Tesla did!

I think Tesla's strategy is to start with the total battery supply and allocate batteries to vehicles with sufficiently high margin that they can scale as quickly as possible.

They delayed refreshing the X and S for a long time, I believe, in part because these two models are low-volume and therefore don't warrant a high allocation of battery supply and manufacturing floor space. Why refresh them now, then? I think they are using the 2021 refresh of X and S as a spur for the 4680 battery ramp (see conjecture that Plaid+ is going to be 4680).

Adding more models and variations doesn't do them much good when their demand for the mainstream 3 and Y far outstrips their battery supply, both today and into the near future, even with them ramping battery supply as hard as possible.

Brands that are making a wide range of electric vehicles are taking a significantly different approach. But seeing as they too will be constrained by a small supply of batteries, I am not sure the diversity will be as valuable on their bottom line.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by topkeks »

vel0city wrote: post #784
leesec wrote: post #623

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree in theory but no one has built in a similar sensor suite to Tesla or added a powerful enough computer chip in their cars. This roots back to Tesla treating the whole car like a unified piece of software and having much better programmatic control over it. I only mentioned autopilot because the leading EV does have it as an included feature and so when weighing options people might question why it's not there on…

It's not an included feature on the Teslas, it's a $10k option.

No, it's not a $10k option. People should stop repeating this TSLAQ meme.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by taneq »

SECProto wrote: post #764
jessriedel wrote: post #608

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Pedestrians make up only a small minority of people killed in car crashes. (Like 6k of 40k per year.) So sure, it's good to make easy adjustments if they lead to big reductions in deaths, but it's not reasonable to care a ton about seriousness restricting the form factor yet think cars are fine in general. Best would be indexing car/truck sales tax to the size of the negative safety externalities, which would be a qu…

Cars&trucks cause a large majority of the pedestrians killed in walking-around-the-city accidents, though. Lumping those deaths in with highway deaths makes the statistic meaningless.

Not if saving 5k pedestrians kills 10k highway drivers. (Numbers made up, I’m just saying you have to consider them.)

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by topkeks »

thomascgalvin wrote: post #342
rootusrootus wrote: post #271

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> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree that this is important, but it is 99% psychological. In the entire time I owned my Tesla, I used the supercharger a half dozen times. Most people with an EV that has 200+ miles of range will rarely use DC fast chargers.

I very, very rarely drive my car further than a hundred miles in a day; for my day-to-day work, a 200 mile range would be more than comfortable, and I'd be able to recharge to full overnight. But every once in a while we drive about 200 miles to visit the in-laws, and I would be super nervous about attempting that in an EV. At best we'd be close to empty by the time we arrived, I don't know the state of the charger s…

It amazes that people like these are able to get a driving license in the US. Simple google search is too difficult for them?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

gilbetron wrote: post #262
kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

The first thing that we need to change about the perception of these vehicles is we have to stop calling them e-pickups. Because e usually means economy. And economy means cheap and flimsy and no legroom. People who are buying Ford pickups don't want cheap and flimsy and no legroom.

Just call it a pickup.

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