Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine? • Hacker News Board

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by jariel » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 11:38 AM UTC

hcurtiss wrote: post #689

dhruvrrp wrote: post #663

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It was hovering around 30-40% 2 months ago, and was around 56% in May. Unfortunately historical data is hard to find since most gov/hospital websites only seem to show covid related data.

But that's because the pandemic actually emptied out most hospitals. ICUs are not built for Easter Sunday. Here's an article with pre-pandemic numbers: "Although average ICU occupancy was only 68% in 2005, some hospitals, especially academic medical centers, regularly face occupancy levels exceeding 90% (Wunsch et al. 2013), often requiring the rationing of scarce critical care beds." http://www.elisalong.com/uploads…

The pandemic emptied hospitals and put many other kinds of therapies, surgeries etc. on delay, because it's dangerous. Hence the need to get vaccinated so we can resume.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by jariel » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 11:40 AM UTC

loosescrews wrote: post #718

chasing wrote: post #554

It's my civic duty to take it as soon as it's offered to me, even if there's some minuscule chance that there will be an averse side effect. That said, I'll likely be towards the end of the line given my health and occupation.

I believe it is your civic duty to not go around infecting people. There is more than one way to achieve that.

You can lock yourself in your home and literally never go near another human being, but is that really an alternative?

Because even going to the grocery store has risk.

So yes: never leave your home and never have company, or get a vaccine.

Think about it like one of the many vaccines you got as a kid and never, ever worried about because they never took up any mental space for you to be concerned about it.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by jariel » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 11:42 AM UTC

petertodd wrote: post #707

chasing wrote: post #554

It's my civic duty to take it as soon as it's offered to me, even if there's some minuscule chance that there will be an averse side effect. That said, I'll likely be towards the end of the line given my health and occupation.

It's my civic duty not to, because people are trying to make it mandatory and we have to set a precedent that mandating it is unacceptable. I honestly think I would have said otherwise a year ago. But after seeing the mishandling of COVID-19, I no longer have faith in my countries ability to use emergency powers scientifically.

'Civic Duty' and 'mandatory' are separate things.

Thankfully, if we have enough rational adults who do their civic duty, then we'll be ok to let the tin-foil hats not take it.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by bmsleight_ » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 12:09 PM UTC

yamrzou wrote: post #571

goshx wrote: post #525

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Why not?

Because last I checked, HN was not pregnant women's favorite forum. You could create a poll if you doubt it, I trust my gut :)

Poll created - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397737 As I think it is also a good discussion on Gender Identities.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by totony » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 12:57 PM UTC

imheretolearn wrote: post #656

Those who voted no, why?

It's funny to me there is a dead comment answering you question. Wish I could unflag it. EDIT: Found out how to. Why flag a comment that's answering a question?

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by Amezarak » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 12:58 PM UTC

deathanatos wrote: post #803

innomatics wrote: post #631

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It's nice to believe this, but having a flu jab is only proven to protect yourself. It's not sterilising immunity so you can still become infected, shed virus, and infect others while asymptomatic. It's quite dangerous if a lot people don't get that the covid vaccines also aren't proved (and are unlikely) to contain transmission. Risk is folks think that we will not longer need to care about hygiene, masks, isolation…

> It's nice to believe this, but having a flu jab is only proven to protect yourself. It's not sterilising immunity so you can still become infected, shed virus, and infect others while asymptomatic. This directly contradicts the CDC: > Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, including those who are more vulnerable to serious flu illness, like babies and young children, older people, and peopl…

This isn't a contradiction at all. GP is saying it isn't proven to protect others. Your CDC quote says it "may" protect others.

I don't know the actual science here - but they could very well have zero evidence that it protects others and still correctly say that getting the flu vaccine may protect others.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by CyberDildonics » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:02 PM UTC

that_guy_iain wrote: post #806

CyberDildonics wrote: post #743

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Even if there was another strain, why would it make the current vaccine useless when the current strain still exists?

So if the strains change every year because the virus mutates so much then the current strain wouldn't be so common. It's basically what happens with the flu. Also a new strain can be more infectious, which I believe was the case with the mink strain.

The current strain is very common. If you haven't noticed, it's actually a pretty big problem.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by damagednoob » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:03 PM UTC

giantDinosaur wrote: post #561

If it's a condition for international travel, which in some way it likely will be, then anyone wanting to travel won't really have a choice. Given that, I'll be getting it. Australia is in a bit of a weird position in that I have no idea what level of virus circulating we'll tolerate even post vaccine though, and I must admit it's concerning that we might reduce deaths by 99% with the vaccine but still not tolerate a…

Given a limited supply of vaccine and the order it will be administered, I don't understand how airlines can entertain this policy.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by CyberDildonics » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:09 PM UTC

emmelaich wrote: post #753

CyberDildonics wrote: post #737

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To be clear, you know multiple super rich people that were able to get a vaccine out of a -70C warehouse and keep it refrigerated while it was delivered to them?

A more promising vaccine was developed in January 2020 and requires only -4C https://www.cell.com/med/fulltext/S2666-6340(20)30027-1 and has had good results in trials from March.

This person specifically said it was the pfizer vaccine.

Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by CyberDildonics » Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 1:11 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #750

CyberDildonics wrote: post #734

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They had boxes of which vaccine? They all need to be refrigerated. Is this something you saw, heard about second hand or something you read on an open internet forum?

> They had boxes of which vaccine? Boxes of the test kits. I was giving precedence. Frankly surprised this is news to so many people. It’s well known in e.g. D.C. circles.

What you have said so far isn't consistent enough to make sense. You said boxes of the vaccine, now you are saying test kits. Test kits have been publicly available, there is no reason a company or a person couldn't buy them. That is not the same as having someone sneak a vaccine out of a -70C warehouse while keeping it refrigerated.