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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by vorpalhex »

nowandlater wrote: post #813
dmoy wrote: post #801

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Yes One obvious example of this is simply ammo. Military bullets don't expand as much as bullets available to cops or civilians. A military bullet is explicitly not allowed to be an expanding hollow point which really messes you up. There are all sorts of international agreements on not using certain types of things in war - types of bullets are no exception.

Correct, hollow-point ammunition is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions. This has always baffled me since large caliber and high explosive munitions (120mm HEAT rounds from an Abrams) are regularly used against soft targets in combat, not to mention things like hellfire missles or JDAMs. That's the rules of war for you.

Hollowpoints are banned under Geneva because the injuries they inflict are less treatable by medics. Same reason buckshot and such is restricted.

In a civilian environment, the hollowpoints don't penetrate through walls and bodies as easily, meaning less risk of bystanders being harmed - and the local hospital has a lot more kit than your field medic.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by eloff »

joshuamorton wrote: post #696
eloff wrote: post #661

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They were fired and will face the justice system, which while it normally moves slowly, will move a little faster in this case thanks to top down pressure. I don't see how in a country with independent judiciary anything more can be done.

> They were fired and will face the justice system If I shot someone on video[0], I would be charged with a crime, likely homicide, that day and in jail until a bail hearing. At which point I might have the option to leave jail until my trial. In this case the officer was arrested 3 days later (about an hour ago at time of writing), and only due to pressure from both citizens and politicians. Without that, it may hav…

I agree, they should have reacted immediately. It is a double standard.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by ilikehurdles »

umvi wrote: post #213
ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

> The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting That's an extremely literal interpretation of his words. Most people would interpret that phrase to mean "you better think twice before looting because I'm not going to sit idly by and let you do it" but in the form of a vaguely threatening, yet catchy rhyme.

> Most people would interpret that phrase..

Even if you're right, which you're not, what is "Most" here? 51%? 63%? 90%?

Are you saying that it's bad if the majority of people are riled up to engage in violence following his tweet, but OK if 40% do? 10%? 1%?

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Post by gurkendoktor »

12elephant wrote: post #576
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #493

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Even better, directly link the research on the topic, from both sides. Instead of drawing a conclusion on behalf of everybody, give people what they need to draw their own.

That's what already happens. Look at the comments on any prominent person's tweet and you'll see people going back and forth about what's right and what's false. No one needs to do anything here. People can research and find stuff out for themselves, and come to their own conclusions.

Absolutely, I am someone who always reads comments (yes, even on YouTube) because they often serve as a poor man's fact check. However, Twitter apparently has plans to sabotage that: https://9to5mac.com/2020/01/08/twitter-limit-replies-feature...

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by logicslave »

zapita wrote: post #805
ardy42 wrote: post #699

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> Somewhere a counter was just incremented. It's going to be amusing if Twitter management simply lets the automated system do its thing. At some point, after warnings, the standard 48-hour suspension will trigger. Twitter management can simply simply say "it is our policy not to comment on enforcement actions". I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter has exempted Trump's accounts from all automated moderation. However, I…

> However, I'm half expecting them to ban him about twelve seconds after he leaves office. At the top management level, they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office (a plausible scenario at this point), and how that scenario affects their bottom line. They probably don’t want US institutions to dissolve into full-blown autocracy... But on the other hand, if that were to happen, then it would…

"they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office"

I think you are very far from reality

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Post by hackissimo123 »

trhway wrote: post #817
oneplane wrote: post #795

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Doesn't that mostly have to do with the amount of training, responsibility, leadership etc. that comes with military hierarchy? It can still get pretty bad (coverup and/or violence wise), but it seems that at least they have some sense of the relationship between violent actions and their consequences.

>sense of the relationship between violent actions and their consequences exactly. Whatever you use in warzone you're risking that the same can be used against you, thus all the conventions on warzone weapons usage and prisoner treatment. Thus all the training, so that your soldiers wouldn't cross [too frequently] the redline to trigger the response. I remember reading for example that in WWI new young soldiers, i th…

I'm struggling to picture what a "non-flat 3-edged" knife (bayonet?) looks like. Do you have a link to a picture?

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Post by fdeage »

ardy42 wrote: post #699
Animats wrote: post #79

Twitter policy: "We start from a position of assuming that people do not intend to violate our Rules. Unless a violation is so egregious that we must immediately suspend an account, we first try to educate people about our Rules and give them a chance to correct their behavior. We show the violator the offending Tweet(s), explain which Rule was broken, and require them to remove the content before they can Tweet agai…

> Somewhere a counter was just incremented. It's going to be amusing if Twitter management simply lets the automated system do its thing. At some point, after warnings, the standard 48-hour suspension will trigger. Twitter management can simply simply say "it is our policy not to comment on enforcement actions". I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter has exempted Trump's accounts from all automated moderation. However, I…

I would never let a machine automate any decision regarding Trump's account, considering that any action would be scrutinized by the entire world and could have massive repercussions...

So definitely not "a counter incremented somewhere". This is a political decision.

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Post by iateanapple »

zapita wrote: post #805
ardy42 wrote: post #699

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Somewhere a counter was just incremented. It's going to be amusing if Twitter management simply lets the automated system do its thing. At some point, after warnings, the standard 48-hour suspension will trigger. Twitter management can simply simply say "it is our policy not to comment on enforcement actions". I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter has exempted Trump's accounts from all automated moderation. However, I…

> However, I'm half expecting them to ban him about twelve seconds after he leaves office. At the top management level, they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office (a plausible scenario at this point), and how that scenario affects their bottom line. They probably don’t want US institutions to dissolve into full-blown autocracy... But on the other hand, if that were to happen, then it would…

> no amount of downvoting by the alt-right fringe lurking here will make the facts go away.

What facts? What alt-right fringe?

Trump was voted in by tens of millions of Americans and still has tens of millions of supporters.

> At the top management level, they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office (a plausible scenario at this point)

Trump is in his 70s...

> since you don’t have the courage to write down and justify your true beliefs

What true beliefs are you hinting at here and why would they take courage to write down?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by olivermarks »

trymas wrote: post #711
olivermarks wrote: post #500

As an elected official and part of a giant bureaucracy the US president has a right to make proclamations, and the media has the right to criticize, refute and contradict. Where this gets delicate is with a person who holds enormous power and is literally leading the administration. People want to hear what this leader has to say, and censoring/hiding/second guessing what this person says is arguably undemocratic. Tr…

But twitter is a private business or isn't it? Twitter users must agree to Twitter TOS isn't it? Your freedom of speech is also Twitter's freedom of speech and if you don't like that someone uses their freedom to calls you on your bullshit - then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . POTUS has whitehouse.gov if he thinks that private business does not let him say what he want's to say.

Section 230 'hands off' service provision rather than editorializing is the issue here as well as rights to free speech whoever you are. The fact Trump enrages most people is a separate distraction. This is a downward slope to more censorship by large unelected global corporations and their political proclivities and goals.
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