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Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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Are you sure you are dealing with the same issue?

Twitter didn't restrict Trump's tweet. It added their own speech (and not masqueraded as Trump).

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Citizen United says that corporations have the same free speech rights as individuals, thus allowing them to exercise their "speech" by dumping tons of dark money into politics.

Twitter exercised free speech by publishing something on their own platform.

The government is now trying to limit Twitter's right to free speech as has been upheld by the Supreme Court.

This is a Trump tantrum.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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The biggest takeaway, looking past the headline: “This week a federal appeals court, ruling in a case brought by conservative activists against social media companies, affirmed that private websites are not public spaces and social media companies don't have First Amendment obligations. Any truly strong limits to Section 230 would almost certainly require action by Congress.”

Repealing section 230 would make twitter liable for publishing trump’s libelous murder accusations and incitement to violence. They’d be forced to ban him.

You mean enforcing section 230, but you are correct.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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So in this case what does the Constitution say? And where does the Constitution say that a corporation spending money is speech?

You can twist the Constitution in both directions. You could say that the value of free speech is so important to society that it is codified on the Constitution. These companies that become big enough platforms should respect that value. You could also say that the Constitution provides free speech protections to everyone. These companies should benefit from those same protections, thus the government shouldn't be a…

I defy anyone to write a rule with any kind of specificity for the first case.

User count? Great, while the user count is It doesn't work! If it could work, please, anyone who reads this comment: Many of us are programmers here, propose a rule that doesn't fall apart.

The second interpretation is at least consistent, even if it does protect corporations.

If Twitter is the devil just leave Twitter, no one has to use it. Gab exists. We have no legal right to access the people who are on Twitter.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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We don't have to speak in hypotheticals here. There are plenty of examples: voat, gab, TD, etc. What laws are/were being pushed by liberal politicians to use the force of law to shut them up? Please do link to government documents or quotes from elected officials.

If tech companies instead shut down people clamoring for unions and worker rights then you'd see the left rushing to introduce measures like the one signed by Donald Trump right now. So this is really a bipartisan issue and not just a right wing one, we should all work together to regulate the power of big tech. They might be mostly well-intentioned today, but it is best we regulate them before they have a chance to…

Start by repealing the Citizens United ruling. If corporations can't have free speech, then this isn't an issue.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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I'm implying that twitter favor non-conservative viewpoints, tolerate them because obviously it's good for business, but do whatever they can, without getting caught, to favor more liberal viewpoints.

Curious to see if there's evidence for this. I am not sure how one would go about measuring this - but perhaps it would help if you elaborate on how this favoritism manifests in the way Twitter operates. Is there anything like that or is this based more on your personal feelings on the matter?

It's my own experience.

Here's an example:

I have 2 accounts, one that I use for politics and news, conservative leaning, WSJ, Thomas Sowell, Peter Robinson (Uncommon Knowledge), Kimberley Strassel... that brand of conservatism, not talking about the crazy alt-right shit here which I don't follow, and a second account that I use for my work with only software dev stuffs and mainstream/more neutral media, Reuters etc, nothing that could brand me as conservative.

On my political & news account I'm always getting recommendations for CNN and other left-leaning commentators and media (no recommendation for other conservative outlets) at the top of my recommendation list, or some kind of outrageous claim that a right leaning person would have done, for example, right now got:

"Kellyanne Conway compares voting in person to waiting in line for cupcakes".

Another one: "Trump makes unsubstantiated claim that mail-in ballots will lead to voter fraud"

I also got "Don Lemon" on "Trending".

That's the kind of recommendation I'm not getting on my work account, where it's mixed between news (without any outrageous/divise claims unless there's really something crazy that happened that day) and other subjects targeted to my interests.

Is it a scientific proof, no, but once you spend enough time comparing with multiple accounts like that you can see a pretty clear pattern on how they try to influence, and it's not subtle even.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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[citation needed]

They have none except Trump's Twitter feed.

From the mouth of Richard Grenell: https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/126602867937061683...

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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The person you are replying to explicitly said that is not the point in the larger issue.

Sorry, you don't just get to decide what is a larger point in some discussion. The law is capable of distinguishing between ideas, including whether content is good-faith speech or trolling. Pretending the two are the same and that a law could not possibly allow for a platform to moderate the latter without sacrificing its "neutrality" seems unreasonable. I think it is a valid question that could be scrutinized in co…

> Sorry, you don't just get to decide what is a larger point in some discussion.

The whole point was the editing of comments. You keep going back and forth between 'political speech' being the same or different, but you hallucinated that as having anything to do with the discussion.

> these are different categories of speech

Maybe to the government, not to whether a website is a publisher or a platform. Protected political speech and criticism of the government has nothing to do with the topic at hand, no matter how many times you keep trying to inject it.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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What's surprising is how often I encounter fellow Americans mistakenly asserting the first amendment extends beyond government and into the private sector. It's like they've never even been to a movie theater where they need to shut the hell up or leave. And here we have a US president signing an executive order in response to being moderated on a web site after years of arguably excessive tolerance of his b.s. I'm n…

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Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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Can you clarify what you mean? There is already protected speech. You can say whatever you want as long as its not libel, treason, direct threats, etc. Twitter has a TOC that is not strictly based on protected speech. They ban people / censor people all the time who violate their TOC but do not violate the law. Also, it is not going to be certain speech that is protected but certain companies. Its possible Twitter wo…

The core premise of the arguments being raised is that Twitter is being politically biased (citation needed), and that something should be done to make Twitter politically neutral since Twitter is such an important faux public square. The problem is enforcement. How exactly will we make Twitter be politically neutral? There are two basic ways: you either eliminate Twitter’s ability to moderate at all, or someone has…

I get what your saying now. Thanks.

I think you are making a poor argument. Somebody could take your exact argument and say that you cannot have anti-discrimination laws for hiring or renting.

We would also handle abuses / accusations of abuses in the same way as anti discrimination laws.

I think what conservatives tend to see are a few examples where there appears to be bias. Liberals say something that violates the TOC and it doesn't get censored or when it does it takes longer for it to be censored. When a conservative says the same thing it get censored much faster.

For example an Asian who is liberal saying "white people are bs" is perfectly acceptable but a black conservative person saying "Jewish people are bs" with explicit notice that it is a parody of the first is not acceptable.

There are many examples where this happens but most publicly know cases appears to be against conservative.

This is of course possibly anecdotal but its understandable to come to the conclusion when Jack Dorsey admitted that most of the moderators are liberal.

Its hard to know if there is actual bias since people who don't have a large following don't make the news when they are censored.

I think a way to solve this would be:

1. Have more people with a variety of views on the moderation team.

2. Require multiple people to accept that something should be censored. Ideally people with different views.

3. Have a moderation log that allows watch groups review if they want.

I am not sure if Twitter could ask for political views prior to hiring a moderator so that could be an issue.

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