Why did this disappear off the front page so quickly? It has 934 points and is 4 hours old. Do stories have a customizable weight? Did this one start at the top, like the YC recruiting posts?
Time to Take a Stand
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#822Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lay off seeking justice for a while Dude, I'm also European and I've spent 25 years listening to and debating with conservative people - in person, on the net, at academic gatherings and many other places. I have studied a wide variety of conservative philosophies and social groups. At what point are you OK with me drawing some conclusions, even temporary working conclusions that I might have to alter later? When I h…
Valid, but I think it comes mostly from the loudest people being the ones that haven't done so. They're the ones that need attention, because they're driving so many personal attacks (which largely make people more extreme, not less). As always, there are exceptions (like you). Which is broadly what the comment was claiming - Trump voters are not 100% made up of nazis, in essence.
Germany wasn't 100% made up of Nazi supporters either. That didn't stop disaster.
A Trump voter that votes Trump because of some economic point also votes in support of all the other policies that Trump stands for and so carries fractional responsibility.
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#823Why did this disappear off the front page so quickly? It has 934 points and is 4 hours old. Do stories have a customizable weight? Did this one start at the top, like the YC recruiting posts?
It's not a YC post, so it wouldn't have started at the top. It's a submission from an HN member on a blog post by a YC member.
It's likely moved off of the front page for a couple of reasons: it's generated a heated discussion and likely tripped the "overheated discussion detector" algorithm (over 800 comments in 4 hours is quite a few), which will downweight the post. It's likely also attracted a number of HN member flags (though not enough to display the '[flagged]' tag) as there's been a lot of political discussion recently, and from what I've seen in the comments there's a lot of people who are growing exhausted of the politics on HN. The flags will also push it down the page.
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#824Earlier quoted context omitted.
Glad to! 1. Here are some examples of people calling for ethnic cleansing/genocide or similarly oppressive policies. If you're basically liberal then these articles will be pretty offensive: http://www.amerika.org/politics/the-peat-party/ http://www.amerika.org/politics/why-we-need-three-castes/ http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/07/sexual-liberation-and-racial-suicide/ I don't want to get sidetracked into quantita…
1. Thanks for the citations, but who the hell are F. Roger Devlin and Brett Stevens, and why should anybody care? Their blogs seem to be on the fringe, and not something one would see in day-to-day politics. I'm not saying you don't have a point. Our society certainly has a few of these weird eggs, but there brand of "thinking" is generally viewed as abject ignorance by mainstream society, isn't it? 2. How would your…
Ad. your '2', there is a fair chance that at some point violence is unavoidable.
The sooner you start steering away from the current course the better the chances that can be avoided.
But time is running out.
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Blocking a country is not racist. If the EO was "Persians are not allowed in" that'd be different. Indeed."Muslim" is not a race. Perhaps a better word would be "bigoted" or "discriminatory" not "racist"? If we are going to be splitting hairs: are Persians a race, or are they an ethnicity?
You can stop being a muslim, you can stop being a christian (I know, I did) and you can stop being a socialist. You can't stop being whatever ethnicity you were when you were born. Thus this is actually a worse order than a straight out ban on muslims from these countries would be.
You can stop being male. Is it ok to ban you from the country? It's acceptable to ban ideas and religion from countries? Holy shit what happened to America..
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#826> In doing so, we should not demonize Trump voters—most of them voted for him for reasons other than the promise of a Muslim ban. We need their eventual support in resisting actions like these, and we will not get it if we further isolate them. This is very important people - calling everyone who voted for Trump a racist homophobe, a moron, and not deserving of the franchise is not going to help anything. I didn't vo…
I feel like the only thing that he campaigned on was hurting black/brown people and repealing the ACA. Everything else, every other policy topic was met with "I have the best people" or "I will have the best advisors." He constantly, falsely, repeated how bad black people have it in inner cities. How we can't go anywhere without the fear of being shot and killed by other black people. He touted the need for a nation-…
>Fuck them
That attitude is not going to solve your problem; that attitude is not going protect you or your friends.
Look you are angry, for all I know you may be 100% right. The question is, do you want to be right, or do you want to improve the situation?
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#827Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality. The vast majority of…
> The vast majority of Middle East refugees are Muslims in the majority in their countries, so here the Secretary of State is directed to prioritize non-Muslims. Right, that's because those are the ones being persecuted and killed under dhimmitude by the Muslim majorities. (Not PC to point this out, I realize.)
I don't care if it's PC, it's wrong. Please look up what's happening to Sunni Muslims around the Middle East.
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#828Earlier quoted context omitted.
Valid, but I think it comes mostly from the loudest people being the ones that haven't done so. They're the ones that need attention, because they're driving so many personal attacks (which largely make people more extreme, not less). As always, there are exceptions (like you). Which is broadly what the comment was claiming - Trump voters are not 100% made up of nazis, in essence.
Germany wasn't 100% made up of Nazi supporters either. That didn't stop disaster. A Trump voter that votes Trump because of some economic point also votes in support of all the other policies that Trump stands for and so carries fractional responsibility.
Sure. But it doesn't mean we condemn all Germans. Other threads in here are basically suggesting we confront every German we see about Hitler's atrocities. What will that accomplish?
edit: a good chunk of this is that all this sets up "damned if you do, damned if you don't, double-damned if you choose the winning side". This doesn't encourage more people to get involved, it just drives them away from trying. That's the exact opposite of what we need.
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#830Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like the only thing that he campaigned on was hurting black/brown people and repealing the ACA. Everything else, every other policy topic was met with "I have the best people" or "I will have the best advisors." He constantly, falsely, repeated how bad black people have it in inner cities. How we can't go anywhere without the fear of being shot and killed by other black people. He touted the need for a nation-…
Fuck you too, buddy.
Regardless of how others are behaving, it's never okay on HN to express yourself this way. Please keep things civil and substantial, or refrain from commenting.