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Re: iPhone 7

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Post by mikeash » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 1:45 AM UTC

k-mcgrady wrote: post #307

tebruno99 wrote: post #183

I'm not even upset about the headphone jack. Whatever. I'm really upset because you won't be able to do the following: 1.) Audio+GPS+Charging in non-Bluetooth Car. 2.) Listening to music at desk and still have enough charge for the Audio+GPS for the drive home. 3.) No more listening to music/audiobooks as I fall asleep because in the morning the iPhone won't be charged for my desk usage the next day unless I wake up…

>> 2.) Listening to music at desk and still have enough charge for the Audio+GPS for the drive home. If you're at a desk you probably have a computer. Why not listen on that? Most people are using streaming services so it's only a matter of logging into Spotify's website or iTunes and you have access to all your music. >> 3.) No more listening to music/audiobooks as I fall asleep because in the morning the iPhone won…

So as long as your work computer is fairly open, you're good to go. What about the other 90% of people?

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by ksml » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 1:49 AM UTC

ino wrote: post #796

koolba wrote: post #356

OT / @dang: This thread really makes one appreciate the new collapsible comments!

collapsing is really slow, it takes 3-5 seconds on safari + mba.

This is happening to me on Android (Chrome); the page completely freezes and can't be scrolled for 3-5 seconds. I assumed it was my phone reflowing or something, but I feel like it shouldn't be that bad, and if it's also happening on MBA, it really shouldn't be that bad

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by BuckRogers » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 1:49 AM UTC

mulmen wrote: post #759

BuckRogers wrote: post #646

They just solidified the iPhone SE as the best product they offer. No way to charge the iPhone7 and use wired headphones at the same time. A camera wart so the phone isn't flat like the SE. The loss of extra battery by going with a wart over a thicker, easier to hold phone like the SE. I'll be sticking with my 5S, and my wife is no longer upgrading her 4S to the 7 as we were planning. We love our iPhones, but we do n…

Why did she think she was going to want the 7 Plus? What is it about the SE that isn't appealing? What is it that she was expecting in the 7 Plus that the 6s Plus doesn't offer? This is an honest question, I have continually upgraded my iPhones for years and this new phone doesn't speak to me either but you are on much older hardware, what about the new phones doesn't speak to you? Personally I am considering a move…

I keep mine in my pocket, I never saw a reason to go back to the 4.7" Android phones that I used for 5 years prior to moving to iOS. 4" is the right size for a phone IMO. I only have notifications enabled for calls and texts, I'm not the type to be into my phone like a fool and look at it while driving, and I only use it for useful purposes. Random Teamviewer access, checking Google News, Feedly, check personal/work email, check deposits/banking. I also have smaller hands, and need to hold onto metal rails as I ride the train and bus. I almost fumble 4.7"+ phones when using them 1-handed.

She usually has her purse and uses her phone more than me, essentially as a tablet. Playing games often such as something I've become accustomed to, Cookie Run. It's really preference. She doesn't mind the larger phone and doesn't mind the inconvenient size for day to day use.

I'm very letdown the 7(Plus) doesn't have a Lightning port pass-through port on the new charging cables. I can let go of 3.5mm, as I don't have any particularly great investment in headphones, but I can't accept inability to charge and use a wired headset at the same time.

I think they will bring in Lightning port pass-through cables with the iPhone7S, but right now want to rake in expensive, more quickly obsolescent (batteries) wireless Beats headphones before they do that.

Wireless stuff to me just means 1 more thing that needs charging, and while I do like those LG around-the-neck Bluetooth headsets, I dislike being forced into it if I want to charge my phone and use a headset.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by mikeash » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 1:50 AM UTC

jonlucc wrote: post #658

sxcurry wrote: post #608

Well, it's official - Apple has failed again! Doomed I tell you, doomed! Forget the performance enhancements, better battery life, fantastic new cameras, etc, etc - I have to use a new earbud cable. Plus, Jony Ive is going around putting super glue in all the old iPhone audio jacks, so I can't even use my existing earbuds with my existing iPhone. Plus, Apple is charging me $0.00 for the adapter so that I can use my r…

You jest, but only the first adapter is free. Subsequent adapters will be $9.99.

Super extreme nitpick, it's listed at $9.00 on Apple's store:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMX62AM/A/lightning-to-35-...

I must say, I'm a bit shocked at the price. I wouldn't have expected Apple to sell a paperclip for under $19. Their Lightning to USB cable, which seems like it must be strictly simpler than this adapter (no DAC!) costs $19.

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by chillacy » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 1:55 AM UTC

wang_li wrote: post #557

bluedino wrote: post #454

Enough about the headphone jack going away - isn't anyone concerned with how big of a deal they made about Pokemon on the Apple watch? Apple looked so uncool and out of it when they continued to talk about it. Half the crowd has forgotten Pokemon Go even existed by this point.

They looked astonishing lame all throughout by constantly having to tell the viewer how glorious and awesome everything was. If they can't just tell us what the feature is and let us be amazed by the feature itself, then whatever they're saying just isn't that great. I don't care how many transistors are in a processor, it's trivia. I don't care what a marvel of engineering the W1 is. I don't even care that they dug…

That's basically apple's keynote style, going all the way back to Steve. I always find the design videos interesting (the ones with Ive narrating).

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by deepGem » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 1:55 AM UTC

slg wrote: post #5

I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

I see it as a ploy to move people up the ladder to the airpods. Though it's an expensive proposition, I for one will happily ditch the wired headphones for the wireless counterpart. However, what I really dread is losing the airpods and, I can't even imagine what my 3 YO will turn them into :).

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by abalone » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 1:57 AM UTC

slg wrote: post #5

I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

Your comment implies they are replacing the jack with wireless earbuds, but that's not what happened. They are doing two things:

1. Switching to a proprietary connector for wired headphones.

2. Releasing improved wireless headphones as an optional add-on.

So you still get "convenient and dependable" wired headphones supplied with the phone. And you get an adapter for using 3rd party wired headphones, so you are not "stuck with the crappy lightning headphones." Wired headphones, whether existing ones from 3rd parties or the upcoming ones from Apple, are unaffected.

As for whether Apple is Really Wrong This Time in requiring an adapter for 3rd party wired headphones... Putting aside how utterly vindicated they've been every time they've done this in history... According to Apple this was to enable major iPhone 7 features like the improved camera.[1] Was that worth requiring an adapter for certain cases, cases which will probably diminish over time as more 3rd party headphones go wireless? I'd say it seems in the ballpark of the sorts of tradeoff decisions they've made in the past.

[1] https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkowski/inside-iphone-7-why-...

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by Hondor » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 1:58 AM UTC

acomjean wrote: post #42

slg wrote: post #5

I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

I can't get over the headphone jack either. Another dongle to loose. Tons of headphones obsoleted. Can't charge while listening. Laggy audio. more batteries in the world. They're ok with a bulge for the camera but not headphones? I work in a lab and a phone with headphones is standard equipment on the commute and work (for at least part of the day). I would seriously move off iOS if I was making music with it. If onl…

Why worry about obsoleting tons of headphones when this (and every new phone) obsoletes a whole phone? Isn't that a much greater cost?

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by broodbucket » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 1:59 AM UTC

inputcoffee wrote: post #669

slg wrote: post #5

I still can't get over the headphone jack. Apple does have a good record of abandoning technologies at the right time (floppies, CDs, Flash, etc) but the biggest difference is that those technologies were all on the downward slope of their popularity when Apple made the move and all had solid replacements available at the time. The headphone jack is just as popular today as it has ever been and it is still more conve…

Remember Flash? It looked like it was the wrong time to drop it, but Apple was able to move consumers along.

One was a proprietary technology with a myriad of security and portability issues.

Another is a universal standard that has worked with every type of device for decades.

This isn't even comparing apples to oranges, it's comparing apples to giraffes

Re: iPhone 7

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Post by Ph0X » Thu, Sep 08, 2016, 1:59 AM UTC

msie wrote: post #805

Being able to collapse comments comes in real handy here! Collapsing the headphone-jack threads...

Speaking of collapsing, does it feel really slow in this thread? It almost feels like their implementation is O(n) where n is the number of comments, and it's really struggling here. I see a very clear 500ms delay here whereas it's instant in most other threads...