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Post by inigyou »

voakbasda wrote: post #699
piltdownman wrote: post #690

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever"

I will ask this here again: At what point did the German people find it morally acceptable to start killing Nazis? At what point will the US stop accepting the boot and act to remove the tyranny stamping on our collective face?

It wasn't until over a decade after the war that most Germans started to accept and internalize that the Nazis were bad guys.

There's also another war where the Germans think they're the good guys because it hasn't been a decade yet.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by kridsdale1 »

schoen wrote: post #383

I co-wrote a border search guide for EFF some years ago. I was very interested in finding clever technical approaches but I later ended up feeling that I hadn't given enough thought to the overall threat model questions (even though the guide did address them, perhaps even somewhat usefully). The big picture problem is that the agents performing the searches have an enormous amount of power in terms of potentially se…

Why not have a passcode that boots in to a second “safe for cops to look at” partition?

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by tmp10423288442 »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #496
itake wrote: post #389

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can you share the link? This? https://www.eff.org/document/eff-border-search-pocket-guide ---- Seems the better strategy (for iOS) is come in with a plan to say yes to agents without pissing them off (like handing them an empty phone). better to local back up, encrypt, upload to your home server etc. Then login to a fresh iCloud account, selectively install apps, photos, and mail accounts. So it doesn't look like you…

who believes an empty phone?

You need it to look set up enough to do critical communication / tourist activities. It should look like you had to reinstall your OS right before your trip, and only had time to get the basics on there. Most people will prioritize communications, maps, and payments over anything else, with video/music/books/podcasts following that, and signing into the vast universe of social apps later if ever.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by Cider9986 »

VortexLain wrote: post #700

At this point, GrapheneOS must introduce a feature to delete only specific data (apps & files) when the decoy password is entered, and then unlock the phone.

They would like to but it's not possible to make a robust feature like that because of low-level architecture of SSDs. Implementing a detectable solution would give people a false sense of security.

https://nitter.net/GrapheneOS/status/2081471477174456340#m

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by inigyou »

radu_floricica wrote: post #807
voakbasda wrote: post #699

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will ask this here again: At what point did the German people find it morally acceptable to start killing Nazis? At what point will the US stop accepting the boot and act to remove the tyranny stamping on our collective face?

If it helps, the nazis themselves probably asked this very question before they started killing ... whatever the contemporary term for nazis was back than.

I don't think there was a label back then that was used the ways "Nazis" is used today.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by fooqux »

What I would like is a setting kind of like the already-existing safety feature on pixel phones. You set a timer and if you fail to end the timer or respond when it goes off, it calls 911.

Instead, I would set a timer before going through customs and if I don't unlock my phone and disable it within a set time, it initiates a wipe. I think that would be a safer way of doing this than a duress PIN.

Re: US citizen charged after GrapheneOS phone wipes during airport search

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Post by inigyou »

euroderf wrote: post #741
Teever wrote: post #733

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Why does the USB port need to even work anyways? It could just be designed to look like a USB port but fry whatever expensive and proprietary phone hacking device they bought from some scuzzy Israeli ‘security’ company when it’s plugged in.

It has to be a once-only effect tho. If it's repeatable, they've got you for some string of felonies.

I wonder what would happen if it was every time, but you never told them it was a USB port

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Post by tripleee »

konmok wrote: post #104
tripleee wrote: post #77

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I don't really see a problem with this assuming the deception is used to uncover crimes.

Sometimes it's used to uncover crimes, but very often it's used to invent crimes that never actually happened, or used to deceive a courtroom when they don't actually have evidence.

Feels like there needs to be some nuance here

Fabricating evidence in an interrogation to try to get a confession out of someone versus "I'm not a cop" when infiltrating a drug ring, or lying to hide important information

Lying about evidence specifically is illegal in a lot of countries (not the US)

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Post by hn_submit »

chasil wrote: post #757
hn_submit wrote: post #511

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Yeah, but without a jury O.J. Simpson never would've walked out of court a free man. For example in Europe when someone dies somebody always has to go to jail, even if they were defending themselves or responding to a potential threat. A jury could show compassion or empathy. Judges are extremely stoic in that regard.

This reference from Germany indicates that self-defense is lawful even if it ends the attacker's life, as long as the violence is not excessive for the situation. https://se-legal.de/services/criminal-defense-lawyer/self-de...

They'll always rule that the violence was excessive. They'll say you could've slapped him in the face or disarmed the attacker.

The only ones getting a free pass are criminals. When they shoot and kill each other judges usually rule that it was self-defense. Ordinary people...no such luck.

Besides in Europe you always have to use physical violence to kill someone because firearms are illegal.

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Post by apparent »

esikich wrote: post #331
apparent wrote: post #103

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Why would agents think that a number written on your phone is the PIN? That would only make sense if it was a communally-used device, not a personal one. Also, no one would put sensitive info on a devices that has the PIN affixed to it. I suppose it's possible someone might enter it without thinking, but the odds seem low. Also seems risky to put a self-destruct PIN on your device, lest a friend (or enemy) enter it b…

I've worked with fleets of company phones and mobile devices, people absolutely do this.

They do this with devices that have sensitive information that would be of interest to federal agents?
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