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The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by int_19h »

mortarion wrote: post #54
gpm wrote: post #31

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This sounds very much far right and not left at all to me > Markus Allard takes inspiration from marxist ideology[32] and unites the "productive" classes of society against the "Transferiat", with the "Transferiat" being a term coined by Allard to describe the classes of society that lives off of transfers that are a net negative for society such as those who, despite having an ability to work, live off of social wel…

Marxism, communism and socialism are all extreme far-left ideologies. Being anti-immigration doesn't automatically swing the party to the right. As written on Wikipedia, "left-conservative" is probably the best label. The Swedish far-left loves to, for instance, brand the governing party in Denmark as far-right, but they are actually also left-conservative. It is possible (shocker) to be liberal and progressive, whil…

I find it amusing that westerners are only now discovering that left wing politicians can be not just authoritarian but socially conservative as hell.

USSR notably banned abortions for 20 years under Stalin, and homosexual intercourse for most of its existence.

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Post by modeless »

dang wrote: post #732
modeless wrote: post #640

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I don't think "appetite to discuss" should be a justification to override the guidelines against political submissions and discussion. There is far too much politics on HN and it leaks into unrelated discussions too. There are plenty of other places to discuss politics on the internet.

The guidelines say that most political articles are offtopic. Most != all. The question is what should be in the setdiff of all - most. About that, there are lots of past explanations: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... Edit: more at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48724830 in this thread

I'm aware of what you've said about this in the past. I'm expressing my disagreement. HN would be improved dramatically by a significant change in where this line is drawn.

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by kfreds »

jlokier wrote: post #774
kfreds wrote: post #641

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I'm sorry to hear that. Yes, Daniel and I own 50% each. > obviously Berntsson has every right to his opinions and to express them Indeed. > and I also appreciate that someone can have control over an opinionated company and run it for one particular set of reasons but not for other causes that someone believes in That is exactly the case. > but in the end I just don't want my money supporting anti-people causes. As i…

> the possibility that Daniel and I are able to keep our personal opinions separate from the mission of our company This isn't about opinions. Very large political financing is not a mere opinion. It has a much larger material effect. I don't think it's possible to separate "mission of our company" from "large scale political financing", for purely structural reasons. I think the legal and fiduciary concept of Confli…

> I think the legal and fiduciary concept of Conflict of Interest is relevant here, but perhaps only by analogy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest is quite informative.

That's an interesting angle!

> What we can do, is recognise that if someone actually takes a large material action against the company's mission, then they have gone a step further and demonstrated the conflict of interest.

As far as I understand Daniel doesn't believe his donation materially harms Mullvad's mission. I am undecided and need more information. I highly doubt he would donate if he believed it would be antithetical to Mullvad's mission, given that the company is founded on our shared values around privacy. I'll ask him.

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Post by adamrezich »

nitnelave wrote: post #368
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #359

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Spot the odd one out: > Some of its key issues include lowered wages for politicians, ending the tax payer funding of various sculptures, monuments and art, large scale remigration, a stricter immigration policy, and free dental care.

For context, from wiki: > Remigration is a far-right concept referring to ethnic cleansing via mass deportation of non-white minority populations [...] to their place of racial ancestry

For more context, from wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...

Sweden is the only country I'm aware of that has a Wikipedia page specifically about this incredibly niche local phenomenon which by the way has no correlation to anything being discussed here at all.

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Post by anukin »

pipes wrote: post #517

This "far right" slur on any party that is anti immigration makes me immediately suspect this party probably isn't far right. It's a shame, because real racist extremists/nazis benefit from this lumping together of legitimate concern about immigration and actual Nazis.

It’s a far left party based on what I read online. Their only right wing stance seems to be on immigration

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Post by kfreds »

e40 wrote: post #740
kfreds wrote: post #641

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I'm sorry to hear that. Yes, Daniel and I own 50% each. > obviously Berntsson has every right to his opinions and to express them Indeed. > and I also appreciate that someone can have control over an opinionated company and run it for one particular set of reasons but not for other causes that someone believes in That is exactly the case. > but in the end I just don't want my money supporting anti-people causes. As i…

Who sees the party as left wing? Its seems like a disingenuous argument to make.

My understanding is that the party leader, Markus Allard, is basing his political ideology on some new kind of Marxist analysis.

You can read more about him here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Allard

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Post by kfreds »

dom96 wrote: post #633
kfreds wrote: post #118

Hi, Mullvad has two owners, founders, and CEOs - Daniel Berntsson, and me, Fredrik Strömberg. All posts I've seen yesterday and today, including the newspaper articles, talk about Mullvad as if Daniel is the single owner, founder and CEO. It should be obvious that Daniel's private donation to a political party is not part of Mullvad's values or mission. If you have any questions, comments or concerns you're welcome t…

As a customer I can no longer support you. But as someone that has been in a similar situation to you, I understand it's tough to end up building something big with someone who's politics you do not agree with. I would seriously urge you to consider building something new that rejects this kind of politics explicitly.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Oh, I definitely agree with some of his political opinions, the obvious ones being around free speech, free press, and privacy.

There are important issues where we don't agree. His values around empathy stretch to most sentient beings, and he believes I commit torture when I eat fish for lunch. And he's still willing to associate with me.

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Post by brachkow »

Mullvad does more for internet privacy than any other company. There are a lot of people saying that they will not use Mullvad anymore. What are they going to do? Support ExpressVPN or some spyware VPN with unknown owners? To achieve what – reduce the roster of companies fighting for a free internet to 0?

Remember, currently individuals elected by you, from parties ranging from goodest to kindest, are voting for passport internet and chat control, with little to no well-funded opposition.

I dislike that Mozilla is spending their money sponsoring random political organizations while asking for money here and there. I dislike that EFF is sometimes busy with American politics more than internet freedoms, and I dislike that Alexandra Elbakyan believes in some kind of esoteric stalinism.

But despite all that, I still support all of them! Because they are doing good things that nobody else does.

There is a "what kind of American are you" meme that is usually applied to people who have zero tolerance for people with different political views. Of course, it applies only to evil people???

No! If you think that "canceling" organizations on the matter that their leadership is kinda suspected of maybe supporting something that doesn't 100% align with your last ballot is a good deed, this meme is actually about you!

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Post by dongcarl »

nout wrote: post #654
microgpt wrote: post #254

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How does it physically prevent Mullvad from logging your data?

One option is to use Obscura, so then you at least spread the trust to two parties (one of which is Mullvad). Not great, but better.

Thanks for the shoutout!

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Post by drngdds »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #571
kgwxd wrote: post #405

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> This is what allows us to advance our common causes. Being in a tolerant and intellectually open environment is also liberating and promotes truth seeking. Nope, that is what will get you taken over by the assholes. Reasonable defense is necessary in reality. There ARE bad actors, they must be kept out.

Everyone has their own definition of a bad actor. The fact that you're implying to know how to spot them says a lot about your tolerance for differences in opinion.

I think you're just bad at identifying assholes
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