Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 • Hacker News Board

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by echelon » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:27 AM UTC

vovavili wrote: post #795

The way I see it, a government led by an adult toddler and his sycophants has decided to punish a firm that refused to cooperate with it's military when it was embarrassed by a militarily weak adversary. The model strength spin strikes me as motivated reasoning. The rubicon being crossed here is Republicans/the red tribe losing their comparative advantage of being opposed to overregulating a rapidly advancing technol…

One day a few million dollars in tokens will enable you to mint an entire AWS or iPhone.

That will not be something you can purchase. Only enormous capital holders will have access and be able to play that game.

We're going to be left with scraps. Thin clients, shitty gaming cards (for but a few), which also dovetails nicely with trusted computing and device attestation.

We've already lived through this:

- open web -> platforms

- protocols -> closed products

- firefox -> chrome sans ad block

- urls are cool -> 92% of URL bars sent to a single company to show ads

- the personal computer -> locked down iPhones and increasingly locked down Androids without APKs.

- free to use internet -> national ID laws

- free to use cell phones -> required KYC

It's getting worse and worse every year. Why would you think you'll get to have these models? You're a serf.

They'll take your career and your hobby and leave you with nothing. Enjoy renting and being monitored.

Not a religious person, but I'm shocked at all of the people watching Noah's proverbial ark being built right in front of us, the rain starting to pour, and everyone just laughing. The flood is coming. 90+% of you, maybe more, are going to lose your jobs.

Your careers are about to die all at once and you're standing around laughing it off. Absolutely wild to see.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by blazespin » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:28 AM UTC

Nition wrote: post #786

I'm surprised how much of the discussion here is taking the angle of "Anthropic pretended this model was soooo dangerous for months as marketing, and it seems like someone decided to believe them!" First, Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety and signs point to that still being the case. It's really cynical to say it was all an exaggeration for marketing. Second, this isn't Moller p…

There are a lot of dangerous things in the world and surprisingly a lot of people can avoid the constant stream of chicken little nonsense.

If everyone expended the same amount of marketing effort trying to scare the ** out of everyone that Anthropic does, it'd be a very miserable world to live in.

We are unfortunately a captured audience and the autistic people at Anthropic are abusing this.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by throwaway85825 » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:28 AM UTC

This is just the pretext to hard sell a government bailout.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by baq » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:30 AM UTC

Aeolun wrote: post #557

holmesworcester wrote: post #488

I think we should see this as simply silly behavior by a government. Export control is not an effective tool for controlling a consumer facing technology developers everywhere want to use (see:VPNs) so there was no good faith policy justification for imposing an export control. This is an administration that seems to be keeping track of who its friends are and aren't, and likes to be the center of every story. They a…

> This is an administration that seems to be keeping track of who its friends are and aren't This seems to be an administration that is dead set on antagonizing every single part of the world. Either enemy or ally.

US has some questionable allies themselves who happily and remorselessly stole top secret information including nuclear secrets.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by orphea » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:31 AM UTC

Nition wrote: post #786

I'm surprised how much of the discussion here is taking the angle of "Anthropic pretended this model was soooo dangerous for months as marketing, and it seems like someone decided to believe them!" First, Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety and signs point to that still being the case. It's really cynical to say it was all an exaggeration for marketing. Second, this isn't Moller p…

  Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety

Lol. It was founded by people who were saying they were worried. I'm sorry you fell for it.

Anthropic is just another company of, in my opinion, money-hungry sociopaths; they are not that different from the OpenAI bros.

So yeah, play stupid games - win stupid prizes.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by pandoro » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:34 AM UTC

This public-private drama will only get worse once the AI companies are public and most of the economy depend on their continued performance through their presence in everyone's retirement funds

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by solenoid0937 » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:35 AM UTC

HN is mostly bitter cynics that think they understand AI safety better than the people that actually work on it.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by j2bax » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:45 AM UTC

Nothing makes people want something more than telling them they can’t have it! My guess is they will start charging even more for it and make you sign a contract for access in the near future. The genius PR continues!

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by basisword » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:47 AM UTC

stingraycharles wrote: post #61

So isn’t the only logical conclusion that we have reached the max of model capabilities that the US allows to be made available to the public? Why invest in smarter models with this precedent? And potentially more importantly: if a model like Mythos, which at best is an incremental improvement over Opus, is getting this treatment, how are all the AI investments that are based on the expectation of ASI / AGI / signifi…

>> Why invest in smarter models with this precedent?

The public may not see more improvements but I'm sure they government will be forcing AI companies to continue improving them for their own use. Those schools aren't going to bomb themselves.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by ozzymuppet » Sat, Jun 13, 2026, 10:48 AM UTC

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

100%. Isn't the US supposed to be all about Freedom? It's become a laughing stock.