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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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For the same reason words like "mansplaining" exist, presumably? I think outside perspectives can be useful, but sometimes they are just ignorant. Really depends on a) the perspective, and b) the intent

'Inside' perspectives can be equally useful or ignorant. The questions remains: why the distinction between inside/outside?

I think on average, outside perspectives are less well-informed than inside ones. It's a decent first-pass filter for quality, despite its inaccuracy.

I see this frequently as an engineer: my pet peeve is the "can't we just..." from someone who has no idea how the system works. Occasionally they're correct that we could make a trivial change to make something work... But most times, that "just" is hand-waving away days/weeks of effort. On the other hand, when "can't we just ..." is uttered by someone else on the same team, they're usually correct that the change is indeed trivial.

In this case, "outside" vs "inside" is actually a good proxy for how informed or accurate the opinion actually is.

Another good example is the stereotypical "expert in a field who thinks their expertise trivially transfers to unrelated fields".

To put it more simply: the distinction exists because outsiders are very frequently blind to the internal complexity of something (a system, an idea, etc), but are still willing to confidently assert their ideas anyway, leading to a frequent association of "outsider" with "poorly-formed opinions".

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#812

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Tracfone burners for any protests?

The laws closed that loophole a long time ago. You have to either present a photo ID to buy in a brick and mortar store or sign for the package when delivering to an address.

You can buy a phone on amazon right now and not sign for anything.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#813

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The laws closed that loophole a long time ago. You have to either present a photo ID to buy in a brick and mortar store or sign for the package when delivering to an address.

You can buy a phone on amazon right now and not sign for anything.

Does it have a carrier service when it arrives? That is the part that matters. They don't care whether you have a piece of hardware that just sits idle. They don't want people placing phone calls that can't be traced back to an identity that can be physically located and arrested.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#814

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If you’re going to believe in a creator anyway, why not decide they have arbitrarily chosen to favor one group over another?

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No. Do explain why that’s relevant.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#815

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You want to elaborate?

Do you?

Sure. He ran on being an anti-immigrant authoritarian in his FIRST campaign. Those were the signs. Now, tell me what you meant by "Twitter Files".

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#816

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Yes? Why would a government allow people who aren't citizens to come in and protest on its soil about its actions? I think that's the definition of forgein interference.

In the US, the bill of rights and specifically the first amendment unambiguously applies to anyone who is lawfully present in the country, citizen or not.

Yes, and this person had left the US, needed permission to reenter, and thus the Secretary of State had the power to deny entry because it "wasn't in the interest of the country".

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#817

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Most people in the USA live within 100 miles of the border. That 100 miles limit was chosen for a purpose, to weaken protections for most US citizens.

the 100 mile limit was chosen because its ~2 hour drive at 60mph, assuming some stop lights and on-ramps. someone jumps the fence or is smuggled in via truck, etc., then CBP has maybe a couple hours to track them.

So glibly handing over your rights, and even going out of your way to defend it.

It’s a little more annoying coming from the country that goes on and on about its freedom.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#818
post #816

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In the US, the bill of rights and specifically the first amendment unambiguously applies to anyone who is lawfully present in the country, citizen or not.

Yes, and this person had left the US, needed permission to reenter, and thus the Secretary of State had the power to deny entry because it "wasn't in the interest of the country".

A parent post said:

> The policy of applying US immigration enforcement actions against legal visa holders who have attended specific legal (US based) protests has been publicly reported and confirmed by many government officials and is unrelated to anyone trying to enter the country.

So in this context, the GP asked “Why would a government allow people who aren't citizens to come in and protest on its soil about its actions?” and that was the question I’m answering. The answer is: because preventing someone who is already in the country lawfully from protesting violates the constitution.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#819

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This. The real solution here is to keep your data, encrypted, on your own devices. The idea that everything needs to be in the cloud is absurd and naturally leads to concentration of power.

That is A solution. To be "the real solution", it needs to be within the grasp of a regular person. Self hosting your entire digital life is absolutely asking too much of the vast majority of people This is like saying the real solution to bad practices of food companies is to exclusively grow your own food, or the answer to anti-repair practices is to only build your own devices, vehicles, etc. Contractors cut corne…

> Don't try to regulate, just learn carpentry, plumbing, and HVAC plus codes!

This is exactly what I do, whenever possible. I do my own car maintenance, HVAC, and similar things.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

#820

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This. The real solution here is to keep your data, encrypted, on your own devices. The idea that everything needs to be in the cloud is absurd and naturally leads to concentration of power.

>encrypted, on your own devices the entire point of encryption is to facilitate communication across adversarial channels, if you want to keep your data in a locker you don't need encryption, and if you use encryption you can keep it stored in North Korea for all it cares

Not only. Someone could break into your house and steal a PC, or you might lose your laptop while traveling. You don't want someone reading your files, passwords, or crypto wallets. You absolutely want some form of disk encryption unless you have exceptionally good physical security.
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