It's like watching Darth Vader Senior fight Darth Vader Junior and luke skywalker is nowhere in sight.
We Will Not Be Divided
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#814This has much broader implications for the US economy and rule of law in the US. If government procurement rules intended for national security risks can be abused as a way to punish Anthropic for perceived lack of loyalty, why not any other company that displeases the administration like Apple or Amazon? This marks an important turning point for the US.
i genuinely do not understand why anyone is acting like this is something new; has this not been the status quo since forever? futhermore this is kind of a naive framing painting the state as somehow separate from majority of the capital...
No, this is far from the status quo for US government, it is not ordinary corruption, nor is it going to stop here.
Trump and associates have used the machinery of state to attack their enemies, attacked and belittled the judiciary while trying to subvert it, and demanded fealty from large businesses under threat of destroying them. It is unprecedented, reckless and a very dangerous moment, unfortunately not just the US has to live with the consequences.
If you think it is business as usual you need to do some reading of history, specifically a century ago in Germany.
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#815The problem with forcing public policy on companies is that companies are ultimately made from individuals, and surely you can’t force public policy down people’s throats. I’m sure nothing good can come out of strong-arming some of the brightest scientists and engineers the U.S. has. Such a waste of talent trying to make them bend over to the government’s wishes… instead of actually fostering innovation in the very c…
I don't see how public policy is being "forced" on anyone here? It seems like the system is working as intended: government wants to do X; company A says "I won't allow my product to be used for X"; government refuses to do business with company A. One side thinks the government should be allowed to dictate terms to a private supplier, the other side thinks the private supplier should be allowed to dictate terms to t…
One of the options they're discussing, which is legal according to this law, is to simply force Anthropic to do what they want. As in Anthropic will be committing a felony if they don't do what the DoKLoP wants, and the CEO will go to jail and be replaced by someone who will.
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#816Earlier quoted context omitted.
As you said: focus on what it does . What it does is prevent companies that Anthropic needs to do business with from doing business with Anthropic.
> What it does is prevent companies that Anthropic needs to do business with from doing business with Anthropic. If Anthropic “needs” the government to not have this rule, then perhaps they had a losing hand, and they overplayed it. I don’t agree with you and think you’re being melodramatic, but if you are right, that’s my response.
I don't think any business can survive being told that they can't buy from their major suppliers or sell to major customers for very long.
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You all want to feel safe just because you are a US citizen but this is a mass surveillance technology on global level. It’s nothing like some secret agent spying on a KGB asset in Berlin like in the old days. We are writing on HN, are we on American soil? Not really. No one asked me for passport. This is not a “domestic” space. Everything here can be automatically and legally spied on. And this applies to everything…
Spying pertains to actual assets, not cyberspace. They can seize servers and tap fiber links. They can issue subpoenas against people and companies. They can arrest people. They can't spy on the color blue, or the concept of Hacker News. They can spy on the Hacker News server, Y Combinator, or dang.
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It's a clear enough moral issue that whichever side of it you end up on is likely to have life-shaping consequences 5 or 10 years down the line. It's predictable that there will be domestic or international conflict with a high cost in lives and political coherence over that timescale, and being someone who 'was in AI' at a government scale vendor is qualitatively different from being a database admin o font designer…
But hasn’t that always been true at Google? They’ve been military contractors for decades.
No, because 'military contractor' is vague and people don't associate logistics or mapping info with death directly and assign responsibility to some generic person in uniform. 'AI systems that hunt down and kill you' is the sort of sci-fi nightmare people relate to personally.
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What use are weights without the hardware to run them? That's the gate. Local AI right now is a toy in comparison. Nukes are actually a great example of something also gated by resources. Just having the knowledge/plans isn't good enough.
Scaling has hit a wall and will not get us to AGI. Open-source models are only a couple of months behind closed models, and the same level of capability will require smaller and smaller models in the future. This is where open research can help: make the models smaller ASAP. I think it's likely that we'll be able to get something human-level to run on a single 16GB GPU before the end of the decade.
> Scaling has hit a wall and will not get us to AGI.
That was never the aim. LLMs are not designed to be generally intelligent, just to be really good at producing believable text.
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Ok so now connect the mass surveillance system to an automated killing system that can blow you up in the grocery store because you're standing in line next to its target.
Yes but you would be dead before it can affect your quality of life so its unimpactful. The former can very much impact your life
Glib take. I think most would rather not be killed given the choice. Especially if they have kids or others that rely on them.