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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> They have also summoned billionaire owner Elon Musk for questioning. Good luck with that...

I guess he could just never enter the EU ever again. Maybe he can buy Little St. James.

and count on Trump to disrespect the extradition treaties. Which might be a reasonable expectation, but will have consequences, and Trump might not hold power forever.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

#812

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Kiddie porn but only for the paying accounts!

Who's going to provide their payment details and then generate kiddie porn? This is a pretty pragmatic move by Musk. It's basically a honey trap, the likes of which authorities legitimately use to catch criminals.

Who is going to generate kiddie porn on it in the first place? It's not as if a a lack of a credit card is preventing the authorities from figuring anything out. This is beyond ridiculous.

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There still needs to be sexual abuse depicted, no? Just naked kids should not be an issue, right?

Naked kid pictures intended for sexual gratification are illegal in most countries

Hard to know the intent of a picture in most cases. E.g. there used to be a magazine for teens when I grew up showing a picture of a naked adolescent of each sex in every edition (Bravo Dr Sommer). The intent was to educate teens and to make them feel less ashamed. I bet there were people who used these for sexual gratification. Should that have been a reason to ban them? I don't think so.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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This isn't the 90s. The right doesn't give a shit about weed.

The right didn't give a shit about weed in the 80's or the 90's depending entirely upon who had it. When Bernhard Hugo Goetz shot four teenagers on an NYC subway in the 80s, his PCP-laced marijuana use and stash back at his apartment came up in both sets of trials in the 80s and later in the 90s. It was ignored (although not the alleged drug use of the teenagers) as Goetz was dubbed The Subway Vigilante and became a…

His victims? He was the victim. Shooting people who are robbing you (a detail you conveniently left out) is a good thing, which is why even a jury of NYC lefties acquitted him on the shooting charges. The only injustice here is that he did prison time for violating the clearly unconstitutional laws that required him to have a license for the gun.

edit: > Canty would later testify that the victims were en route to steal from video arcade machines in Manhattan

> Each of the four youths shot by Goetz was facing a trial or hearing on criminal charges at the time of the incident. Ten weeks prior to being shot, Cabey was arrested on charges that he held up three men with a shotgun in the Bronx, and he was released on $2,000 bail.[38] Cabey failed to appear at his next court date, resulting in an additional arrest warrant.

Sounds like predators to me.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

#815

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No other "AI" companies released tools that could do the same?

In fact, Gemini could bikinify any image just like Grok. Google added guardrails after all the backlash Grok received.

And they should face consequences for that, somewhat mitigated by their good faith response.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

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Is this post low-key advocating for anime csam in the name of freedom?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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In which broken society do you live where this is true? I would say drawing sexually explicit pictures of real persons without their consent and keeping them in your drawer is neither illegal nor morally reprehensible in most of the world. I am with you on publishing these...

Not morally reprehensible? Do you tell your coworkers “hey, last night I sketched you nude, but it’s cool, it’s in my bedside drawer…”

I would personally not tell them because not everyone likes to know what/that others think about them. But I do not see the moral issue if I don't tell them.

What if I only thought about it? Still morally reprehensible? Or only if I tell others I think about them? Then you could argue it's sexual harassment.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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>It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create, own, distribute or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent, regardless if they are underage or not. Arguably morally reprehensible but it has not always been illegal (and still isn't in many places) if you're talking about images of adults.

Did you miss the "without their consent" part?

I think Gary is just reaching back to antiquity.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create, own, distribute or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent, regardless if they are underage or not. Grok is a platform that is enabling this en masse. If xAI can't bring in guardrails or limit who can access these capabilities, then they deserve what's coming to them.

>It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create, own, distribute or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent, regardless if they are underage or not. Arguably morally reprehensible but it has not always been illegal (and still isn't in many places) if you're talking about images of adults.

"Argually" morally reprehensible? I don't think that's very cash money to be honest.

This comment chain isn't about a difference of opinion, but a difference in morality - there's no debating possible about morals I think.

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