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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by kcrwfrd_ »

xnyan wrote: post #672
pphysch wrote: post #640

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those same elevated controls are used to steal PII and sell to data brokers. Again, it's the companies that are trying to force apps on their users. If it were genuinely a much better UX, they wouldn't have to do that.

I don’t think you are correct, but I could be wrong. For example, can you replicate the functionality of TikTok - autoplay unmuted videos as the user scroll down to new videos? It’s the experience that the user expects.

Yes I literally worked on a PWA with this exact feature.

I believe you can see it working on TikTok web as well.

You just can’t have the first video unmuted on initial load, although I wonder if this can be relaxed when user installs a PWA.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by eloisant »

u8080 wrote: post #499
nabla9 wrote: post #327

Apple’s App Store profits on commissions from digital sales Revenue $32 B Operating Costs $7 B [1] Estimated Profit $25 B Operating Margin ~78% [1] R&D, security, hosting, human review, and including building and maintaining developer tools Xcode, APIs, and SDKs. Apple could take just 7% cut and still make 20% profits. Fun Fact: During the Epic trial, it was revealed that Apple's profit margins on the App Store were…

But those profits made possible by actually having other infrastructure parts existing(OS, hardware, marketing, etc).

The $160 billion of cash Apple is sitting on doesn't contribute to any infrastructure.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by hu3 »

surgical_fire wrote: post #358
fnoef wrote: post #273

I don't get it. Apple is the top 3 most valuable companies in the WORLD. THE WORLD. They act like a greedy friend that would ask you to pay back $1.54 for a meal of $1500, because you ordered a side of fries which they did not eat. Aren't they making the majority of their money from selling hardware and iCloud subscriptions? Why they go on and milk developers, who make apps FOR THEIR ECOSYSTEM?!

What don't you get? They are greedy because Apple fans would by a turd in a box if it had an Apple logo. If I was in charge of Apple I would do the same thing. In fact, I would likely increase the Apple cut to 40%. People would pay, they like their slick toys. The developers will continue to make apps for their ecosystem regardless.

After the $1k monitor stand I don't doubt Apple can get away with selling ANYTHING.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/mx5n3ll/a/pro-stand

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Post by giancarlostoro »

bigyabai wrote: post #733
thewebguyd wrote: post #705

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> Wouldn’t be surprised if macOS starts locking down CLI tools towards an App Store model too. The day that happens is the day Apple sees a mass exodus of developers to Linux, I don't think they'd be that stupid. They enjoy enough goodwill right now as the platform of choice (vs. Windows for those that don't want to run desktop Linux), I can't imagine they'd casually just throw that away.

> I don't think they'd be that stupid. We're talking about the company that abandoned CUDA, OpenCL and Vulkan mere moments before they were killer technologies. If Apple wanted to phase-out Homebrew, I genuinely think most of the community would nod in unison and switch to developing in UTM. Mac owners are nothing if not flexible.

Yeah no, as a Mac and Linux user, I would seize buying Mac hardware and buy exclusively Linux if they took down Homebrew from being usable. At that point a Mac is no longer a Unix system.

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Post by rpdillon »

xnyan wrote: post #672
pphysch wrote: post #640

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those same elevated controls are used to steal PII and sell to data brokers. Again, it's the companies that are trying to force apps on their users. If it were genuinely a much better UX, they wouldn't have to do that.

I don’t think you are correct, but I could be wrong. For example, can you replicate the functionality of TikTok - autoplay unmuted videos as the user scroll down to new videos? It’s the experience that the user expects.

I've probably deleted 15 apps from my phone in the past year as I steadily move over to the web for everything.

My chat agent, file transfer tool, Grubhub, Amazon, YouTube, news, weather are all deleted in favor of a set of armored browsers that suppress the trash and clean up the experience. Its been an amazing change, as those companies no longer get a free advertisement on the application grid of my phone, making my use of them much more intentional.

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Post by tasty_freeze »

esseph wrote: post #31
hiprob wrote: post #19

What are you going to do about it? Use Android?

GrapheneOS

It is more clunky and less polished than android. On the other hand, it is far more secure.

I was a user of android for 15+ years, and I had been using a pixel 4a when the battery issue came up last year. Google handled that so terribly I bought a used pixel 7a and installed Graphene.

Installation is quite easy. The lack of native voice-to-text was a pain; I installed a 3rd party utility (FUTO) for that, but unlike the native one where it translates while you talk, FUTO waits for you to finish then translates everything.

The messaging app is less integrated too. Android finally fixed things up with Apple such that emoji responses (heart, thumbs up, +1, etc) would appear as an annotation after the text message I sent, but now I'm back to getting "So and so likes your comment ".

Some of the other pain was because I have tried to cut down on other google properties. I use "here we go" for mapping instead of google maps. Due to the scale of things, the real time traffic updates on google maps is far better than on here we go. I use fastmail instead of gmail and I'm 100% happy with that solution.

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Post by layer8 »

pjmlp wrote: post #740
layer8 wrote: post #520

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Notifications.

Aka upselling and user engagement.

Some things I do want to get notifications about, including from Patreon, whose notifications are perfectly fine, configurable with appropriate granularity. I don’t get any unwanted notifications there.

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Post by dwaite »

pavlov wrote: post #232
supernes wrote: post #210

How long until they make the argument that they're entitled to 30% of your salary because you use Apple hardware to do your work?

They must be looking at the revenue Claude Code is making on Mac and thinking “Why aren’t we getting 30% of that?” Wouldn’t be surprised if macOS starts locking down CLI tools towards an App Store model too.

If Claude Code was in the Mac App Store, they would have signed an agreement to do so (offer an in-app purchase option and Apple gets a 30% cut of subscriptions for the first year, 15% after that).

They would also be sandboxed such that the app wouldn't have access to the level of system integration it needs.

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Post by eloisant »

roysting wrote: post #321
pjmlp wrote: post #310

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Why do they need to install a PWA? We do mobile friendly Web UIs, that is enough. Their customes, employees, go to the respective company website, get a responsive UI for their device, done, the services require to be online anyway.

It’s about convenience in most cases; an “app” to tap on, not a URL to remember and enter or a bookmark to save, name, file, and locate. Just like apps in general, PWAs are mostly a mobile heavy modality. Bookmarks and the browser is largely still fine on laptop/desktop, but even there you see the app design language start prevailing with things like bookmarks and “recent sites” being presented like app icons.

Even if it's not a PWA, on both iPhone and Android you can create an "app icon" that will open a URL in a chromeless window. It's as simple as tapping "Add to home" from your browser.

So you get your "app" to tap on.

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Post by dwaite »

pjc50 wrote: post #373
pavlov wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They must be looking at the revenue Claude Code is making on Mac and thinking “Why aren’t we getting 30% of that?” Wouldn’t be surprised if macOS starts locking down CLI tools towards an App Store model too.

Presumably if you buy an AI subscription through an iOS app you also have to pay 30% Apple tax. Nice work for them.

I would expect also that there is a broader revenue sharing agreement for both being a system-integrated search engine and "world knowledge" chatbot (Google and OpenAI being the respective defaults)
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