Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…
Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning
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> At a news conference, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said the man who was shot was a 37-year-old white man with no serious criminal history and a record that showed some parking tickets. Law enforcement sources said Saturday their records show Pretti had no serious criminal history. > O'Hara said the man was a “lawful gun owner” with a permit. Records show that Pretti attended the University of Minnesota. St…
> So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process.... a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence. This completely misrepresents what happene…
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> So a U.S. citizen who is a legal, permitted gun owner with no outstanding criminal charges, legally carrying in public, who complies with the law and informs a DHS officer that they are legally carrying, is effectively subject to summary execution without due process.... a federal officer shooting and killing a legal gun owner solely for possessing a gun in their presence. This completely misrepresents what happene…
> "Summary execution" and "without due process" is emotionally manipulative phrasing. It's exactly what this was, though. He was disarmed before being shoved to the ground and beaten with a gas grenade. There is another video which shows that his hands are on the ground or in front of his face , the entire time he's down, long before he's shot. Watch the fucking videos.
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Yes, you appear to see the point I am making.
It's not a real point. It's only illegal to support a sanctioned person if you know or should have known they were sanctioned.
I guess I should have spelled it out in the initial comment.
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Yes, some people are still deep in the denial phase of the grief cycle [of losing our country]. I have many friends like that.
A funny thing about the "stages of grief" is that they are a total myth and the originator of the hypothesis never intended them to be abused this way. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross did her research solely on people who were dying: people with terminal illnesses, and she studied how they coped with facing their own mortality. Not how other people did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_K%C3%BCbler-Ross And of course, ev…
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#818Alternative angle from the lady in pink NSFW https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qlux63/altern... Edit mirror https://imgur.com/a/UTDrKz0
The Last Jew in Vinnitsa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Jew_in_Vinnitsa https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Th...
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Thanks for the reply Dan. That’s not the question I asked.
It was obviously not a real question.
In much of what I’ve read about the fall of rule of law and dictators rising to power in other countries, people very often talk about one of two things - how they wish they had done more to stop it, or how they’re proud of what they did and they feel they made a difference - even if small.
Even the parents of Alex Pretti who was killed yesterday said in a statement they’re very proud that Alex was protecting a women at the time he was killed, helping others like he always did.
Given what you just said above, I can only think you either don’t really understand how much power you have to enable or curtail discussions or you know exactly and last night when you closed your eyes and thought about it you realized you aren’t / won’t be proud if it gets real bad.
I’m sure you’ve read a lot of history Dan. Has there ever been a case where stopping citizens talking about what their government is doing has worked out well for the people? I’m not aware of one.
I know these discussions are “off topic” for HN Dan, but I’m shocked you don’t see that literally nothing else will be important for a decade or more if the dictator takes full control or starts a civil or world war.
The lives of a vast number of people will change drastically for the worse, and you’ll have to live knowing you stopped people talking about it when there was still something to be done.
I hope on the life of my little girl none of this happens, but man you’re going to have a hard time looking in the mirror if it does. I don’t envy you, and I understand you’re between a rock and a hard place.
Doing the right thing is often the hardest path.
Do you genuinely feel you are doing the right thing?
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Law enforcement is one thing but when Washington sends war-fighters into a state against the will of the state's leadership, somebody has got to be prepared to take some casualties if there is any resistance. The greater the force and amount of armament, the worse it can end up becoming. It wasn't good when it happened in the 19th century either.
War-fighter is a generous description given the preparedness of the agents they’re sending. This is how they’re behaving against disorganized whistle-blowing confrontational citizens, not e.g. an ideologically-motivated separatist militia.
What I see is that some of them seem to display even more of a killer attitude than professional soldiers, and bring a whole additional supply of firepower to each scene when they arrive that was not in the equation before.
With that level of highly-armed government-initiated risk introduced, it looks like in almost any neighborhood where there is normally about zero yearly risk of someone being killed, when the "troops" are sent in the risk skyrockets.
On a daily basis too which is too frequent to ignore and a virtually incalculable increase, but you don't need numbers to see how bad it is.