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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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mnky9800n wrote: post #272
sfn42 wrote: post #240

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As opposed to the House model where every episode is exactly the same with some superficial differences? I like the long movie format, lots of good shows to watch. Movies feel too short to properly tell a story. It's just like a few highlights hastily shown and then it's over.

I feel like there are plenty of examples of movies that tell a good story. I think the reason people like long form television over movies is a movie requires an emotional commitment that it will end. But there’s always another episode of television.

The flip side is that with most serialized television stories not even the writers know where the story will go so most arcs end up being brushed under the rug while the viewers are distracted with new promises that ultimately end up being hot air.

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vjk800 wrote: post #247
KeplerBoy wrote: post #223

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TV shows changed completely in the streaming age it seems. These days they really are just super long movies with glacial pacing to keep users subscribed.

I'm fine with this. I always wished regular movies were much longer. I wish lord of the rings movies included all the songs and poems and characters from the book and lasted like 7 hours each.

I would be fine with it of the stories were fully developed before the first episode is released. Unfortunately this usually isn't the case and instead you end up with lots of "cool" story arcs that ultimately go nowhere satisfying.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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XorNot wrote: post #227
snakeboy wrote: post #216

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Makes sense, but how does this explain the fact that this problem seems recent, or at least to have worsened recently ?

Honestly what I don't get is how this even happened though: it's been I think 10 years with no progress on getting the volume of things to equal out, even with all the fancy software we have. Like I would've thought that 5.1 should be relatively easy to normalize, since the center speech channel is a big obvious "the audience _really_ needs to hear this" channel that should be easy to amplify up in any downmix....ins…

With mpv you can use ffmpeg's dynaudnorm filter to fix this.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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sfn42 wrote: post #245
XorNot wrote: post #227

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Honestly what I don't get is how this even happened though: it's been I think 10 years with no progress on getting the volume of things to equal out, even with all the fancy software we have. Like I would've thought that 5.1 should be relatively easy to normalize, since the center speech channel is a big obvious "the audience _really_ needs to hear this" channel that should be easy to amplify up in any downmix....ins…

I toyed with the idea of making some kind of app for this but while it may work on desktop it seems less viable for smart tvs which is what I primarily use. Though I have switched to mostly using Plex, so maybe I could look into doing something there.

This is exactly the reason I avoid appliances like smart TV where you have no control over the software. With my PC (for which my big TV is just a dumb display) I can use mpv with ffmpeg's dynaudnorm filter.

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tor825gl wrote: post #404
snakeboy wrote: post #216

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Makes sense, but how does this explain the fact that this problem seems recent, or at least to have worsened recently ?

Have you got older recently?

Why gaslight people like this?

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tensor wrote: post #615
snakeboy wrote: post #216

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Makes sense, but how does this explain the fact that this problem seems recent, or at least to have worsened recently ?

Easy, you and all your friends are getting old.

Stop gaslighting people.

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neom wrote: post #509

I know this sounds extreme but I get actually angry/frustrated and often just can't watch peoples TVs. I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood. I went to film school, I have emmy's, I've watched hours long conversations about frame rates and dynamic range choices and so many aspects of the creative process that the TV then..…

To be fair, snobs thinking 24p is a valid choice for action sequences or panning camera shots are part of the problem - they are the reason why TV manufacturers come up with these horrible filters.

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zaptheimpaler wrote: post #669
neom wrote: post #509

I know this sounds extreme but I get actually angry/frustrated and often just can't watch peoples TVs. I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood. I went to film school, I have emmy's, I've watched hours long conversations about frame rates and dynamic range choices and so many aspects of the creative process that the TV then..…

My TV is mostly calibrated to turning off all the processing and D65 white point (Warm 2 on Samsungs) but I can't watch unsmoothed 24p content on the 120Hz screen anymore - it looks incredibly juddery and sort of nausea-inducing. I don't recall having this issue on an older cheap Hisense TV, maybe there's something about higher refresh rate that makes the 24FPS really look bad.

I don't use motion smoothing but I tend to agree that 24p sucks and wish the movie industry would get over the "soap opera effect" bs already and just use reasonable frame rates where action scenes and panning shots remain fluid.

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archerx wrote: post #765
dahart wrote: post #534

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If TV settings offend you, you should be offended by anyone watching anything made for movie theater on a TV or iPad or - gasp - a phone, regardless of settings. And it should be offensive to watch with the lights on or windows open. ;) To be fair, 24p is crap. You know and agree with that, right? Horizontal pans in 24p are just completely unwatchable garbage, verticals aren’t that much better, action sequences in 24…

If you’re noticing stuttering on 24fps pans then someone made a mistake when setting the shutter speed (they set it too fast), the motion blur should have smoothed it out. This is an error on the cinematographer’s fault more than anything. 60fps will always look like cheap soap opera to me for movies.

Motion blur doesn't fix the issue but instead adds another one: loss of detail.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #782
neom wrote: post #509

I know this sounds extreme but I get actually angry/frustrated and often just can't watch peoples TVs. I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood. I went to film school, I have emmy's, I've watched hours long conversations about frame rates and dynamic range choices and so many aspects of the creative process that the TV then..…

Honestly, it used to be worse. I remember when 16:9 TVs were new, people would often stretch the aspect ratio of 4:3 content because they "don't like the black bars."

At least that's better than releases being cropped to 16:9.
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