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Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by pessimizer »

jrflowers wrote: post #678
sph wrote: post #613

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I like her take-away from this experiment: Vincent stated that, after the experiment, she gained more sympathy for the male condition: "Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love, and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together." I respect that, compared to the arguments that sex A is having a be…

> We’re all in the same, but different, shit. Can you elaborate on other cases where the words “different” and “same” are interchangeable?

It's the stupid law of averages.

You may be the victim right now, and I may be the perpetrator, but over time you'll sometimes be the perpetrator (what, do you think you're perfect?) and I'll sometimes be the victim (you don't think I suffer?), and over time it all averages out.

But just because you're the victim this time, you're getting all the sympathy. Is that fair?

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Post by DonHopkins »

stinkbeetle wrote: post #642
AlecSchueler wrote: post #625

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They didn't suggest men couldn't understand, they actually offered a way to help foster understanding by creating the false profile. The ones who won't understand are those who make no effort to understand, and that's quite reasonable to say. A woman's online safety relative to other spaces also misses the point about their online spaces being less safe than those of men; the suggestion wasn't that online spaces are…

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Post by pessimizer »

brabel wrote: post #643
ethbr1 wrote: post #590

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There's also the inconvenient truth that a very specific part of the world was online in the 1990s. Primarily more educated, more liberal, more wealthy. Turns out, when you hook the rest of the planet online, you get mass persuasion campaigns, fake genocide "reporting", and enough of an increase in ambient noise that coherent anonymous discourse becomes impossible. I mean, look at the comments on Fox News or politica…

The 1990s internet was definitely not more liberal! 4chan style forums were probably the rule. I can’t believe someone would say that, clearly you didn’t use the same internet that I did.

4chan was very much left-wing to liberal until Stormfront invaded them back. After Caturday came Soviet Sunday.

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Post by WorldMaker »

owisd wrote: post #646
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #627

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> American football handegg*

The leading theory for the etymology of the “foot” in “football” is because it’s played on foot unlike, say, jousting or polo.

It gets the name from "rugby football" from the time where both rugby and international football ("soccer") were considered related sports and often shared rules and associations (such as the London Football Association, from which Princeton imported rules to the US, and which eventually started to split as the sports split further).

The change in shape from a round ball to the "handegg" eventually derived from the first American innovation in "rugby football" of the forward pass. Even with the forward pass, the game required kicks into goals for a long while with the "touchdown" a further later innovation (though also influenced by reimporting rugby rules, as it relates to the rugby "try"). Kick offs, punts, field goals, and extra point attempts all still vestigially remain from the rugby origins even as most of the play in between them changed drastically.

American Football is called "football" because it evolved from the "football family". It's like using the term "romance language": Spanish and Italian sound very different today, but they both share roots in Latin. They've also both changed a lot since the days when Latin was a living language.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by raducu »

midnitewarrior wrote: post #721
cookiengineer wrote: post #278

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I had a very interesting discussion with a friend today, where I was talking to her about the /r/golang thread about Rob Pike's comments to OpenAI and how the thread was full of bots talking with other bots. No idea why the density of bots was so high in that thread, it was kind of absurd to see. Then she said: "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's…

Reputation management is what it will take to bring trust back to all forms of media. It means creating a trusted identity that can be verified, and that the identity is known to be a real human with a reputation to lose if exposed as being a bot or otherwise untrustworthy. Unfortunately, for common people whose aim is not celebrity, this means handing over your privacy in order to have a voice. We can do this in our…

> Reputation management is what it will take to bring trust back to all forms of media.

Does that really work, though? I think it doesn't -- think all the anti-vaccine type influencers -- their identities are known and they're ok with it.

> It means creating a trusted identity that can be verified, and that the identity is known to be a real human with a reputation to lose if exposed as being a bot or otherwise untrustworthy.

Surely this won't be used for nefarious reasons or to silence individuals like it's done in the UK or in the cancel culture actions. /s

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pessimizer wrote: post #810
sph wrote: post #613

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I like her take-away from this experiment: Vincent stated that, after the experiment, she gained more sympathy for the male condition: "Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love, and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together." I respect that, compared to the arguments that sex A is having a be…

> We’re all in the same, but different, shit. We are not. This is the law of averages and is absolute poison. Sexism is not symmetrical. Men do not suffer from women like women suffer from men. Norah Vincent killed herself.

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Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by sph »

pessimizer wrote: post #810
sph wrote: post #613

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I like her take-away from this experiment: Vincent stated that, after the experiment, she gained more sympathy for the male condition: "Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love, and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together." I respect that, compared to the arguments that sex A is having a be…

> We’re all in the same, but different, shit. We are not. This is the law of averages and is absolute poison. Sexism is not symmetrical. Men do not suffer from women like women suffer from men. Norah Vincent killed herself.

She died by assisted suicide, for private reasons. No need to exaggerate to make a point. There’s Twitter if you want to engage in that type of culture war.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by autoexec »

wishfish wrote: post #690
esseph wrote: post #492

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> Reddit is fucking miserable Reddit is the town bar, the popular one. Some people love the town bar! :) Some people hate the town bar! :(

Reddit is a bunch of bar districts in a large city. You can find any sort of bar you want. Some of the bars you'll love. Some of them you'll hate. Some of them will make you say "what the hell is any of this?" It's an almost infinite variety. Fractal even with how many subreddits are the results of splits from an older subreddit.

You can find any sort of bar you want, but all of them are owned by the same shady company which waters down the drinks, are involved in secret backroom deals which sometimes results in things like selling your personal info or in bars being closed without notice. They also refuse to give the bouncers the training and resources they need which leaves many bars full of jerks who shouldn't have made it inside in the first place, while in other bars you can find yourself thrown out for no reason at all.

It's kind of like an American grocery store where you have shelf after shelf filled with different brand names and products in all kinds of colors and flavors, but they're all owned by one of three corporations so it really doesn't matter which product you buy, you're still supporting the same assholes who will gladly poison you if it'll increase their profits by a fraction of a cent, so naturally most of your choice comes down to the flavor of the poison.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by runamuck »

mgaunard wrote: post #304

Is there such a thing as a good ad? I've always blocked them on all platforms. Looking at instagram where I don't block anything, most of what it suggests to me are soft porn or soft scams (generic chinese dropships marketed as a unique innovation).

I get really good recommendations from Insta. Leather jackets, motorcycle gear, Swiss microbrand watches.

Re: Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by trey-jones »

cheschire wrote: post #44
trey-jones wrote: post #25

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Yes - we're in what I like to call the Socialist Phase of AI (user acquisition). We were once in this phase with Google. Eventually we'll move into the as-yet-unnamed-by-me phase that Google (and search in General, also the internet) have been in for quite some time, where they try and squeeze out all the money that they put in during the Socialist Phase.

Capitalist?

I prefer not, because technically this socialist phase is part of capitalism currently.
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