Apple M5 chip • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by thenberlin » Thu, Oct 16, 2025, 2:30 AM UTC

jacobolus wrote: post #723

runjake wrote: post #663

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's see if I can turn this into an ASCII table and have it survive HN's reformatting. +------+------------------+--------------+----------+----------------+-------------------+-------------------+---------------------------+ | Chip | Process | CPU Cores | GPU | Neural Engine | Memory Bandwidth | Unified Memory | Geekbench6 (Single/Multi) | +------+------------------+--------------+----------+----------------+------…

Or to fit in a narrower window: Chip | Process | CPU | GPU | Neural | Memory | Unified | Geekbench6 | | Cores | | Engine | Bandwidth | Memory | Single / Multi -----|---------|-----------|------|---------|-------------|---------|---------------------- M1 | 5 nm G1 | 8: 4P+4E | 7–8 | 16-core | 68.25 GB/s | 16 GB | 2346 / 8346 M2 | 5 nm G2 | 8: 4P+4E | 8–10 | 16-core | 100 GB/s | 24 GB | 2586 / 9672 M3 | 3 nm G1 | 8: 4P…

This is somehow the most Hacker News thread I've ever seen and I love it.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by umvi » Thu, Oct 16, 2025, 2:31 AM UTC

NetMageSCW wrote: post #773

umvi wrote: post #645

I would buy a mac mini with an M* chip in the blink of an eye if merely upgrading the RAM didn't double the cost of the unit

You’re in luck then, it doesn’t double the cost.

It's pretty close to double. Sorry, but I just can't justify $400 for a measly 16GB of RAM

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by nozzlegear » Thu, Oct 16, 2025, 2:32 AM UTC

jon-wood wrote: post #122

> Apple 2030 is the company’s ambitious plan to be carbon neutral across its entire footprint by the end of this decade by reducing product emissions from their three biggest sources: materials, electricity, and transportation. But never, ever, through not shipping incremental hardware bumps every year regardless of whether there's anything really worth shipping.

Surely people just won't buy it if it's not worth shipping?

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by cagenut » Thu, Oct 16, 2025, 2:32 AM UTC

adamschwartz wrote: post #437

alberth wrote: post #182

Vision Pro went from M2 to M5, that's quite a jump in horse-power.

Also ~200g heavier due in part to the counterweight in the new strap.

hmmm thats 200g in the wrong direction

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by geuis » Thu, Oct 16, 2025, 2:33 AM UTC

jacobolus wrote: post #723

runjake wrote: post #663

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's see if I can turn this into an ASCII table and have it survive HN's reformatting. +------+------------------+--------------+----------+----------------+-------------------+-------------------+---------------------------+ | Chip | Process | CPU Cores | GPU | Neural Engine | Memory Bandwidth | Unified Memory | Geekbench6 (Single/Multi) | +------+------------------+--------------+----------+----------------+------…

Or to fit in a narrower window: Chip | Process | CPU | GPU | Neural | Memory | Unified | Geekbench6 | | Cores | | Engine | Bandwidth | Memory | Single / Multi -----|---------|-----------|------|---------|-------------|---------|---------------------- M1 | 5 nm G1 | 8: 4P+4E | 7–8 | 16-core | 68.25 GB/s | 16 GB | 2346 / 8346 M2 | 5 nm G2 | 8: 4P+4E | 8–10 | 16-core | 100 GB/s | 24 GB | 2586 / 9672 M3 | 3 nm G1 | 8: 4P…

Needs to be even more narrow. (iPhone 16pro landscape Safari).

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by chrsig » Thu, Oct 16, 2025, 2:34 AM UTC

jacobolus wrote: post #723

runjake wrote: post #663

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's see if I can turn this into an ASCII table and have it survive HN's reformatting. +------+------------------+--------------+----------+----------------+-------------------+-------------------+---------------------------+ | Chip | Process | CPU Cores | GPU | Neural Engine | Memory Bandwidth | Unified Memory | Geekbench6 (Single/Multi) | +------+------------------+--------------+----------+----------------+------…

Or to fit in a narrower window: Chip | Process | CPU | GPU | Neural | Memory | Unified | Geekbench6 | | Cores | | Engine | Bandwidth | Memory | Single / Multi -----|---------|-----------|------|---------|-------------|---------|---------------------- M1 | 5 nm G1 | 8: 4P+4E | 7–8 | 16-core | 68.25 GB/s | 16 GB | 2346 / 8346 M2 | 5 nm G2 | 8: 4P+4E | 8–10 | 16-core | 100 GB/s | 24 GB | 2586 / 9672 M3 | 3 nm G1 | 8: 4P…

the narrow window view is appreciated given the increased indent level of your comment

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by Aperocky » Thu, Oct 16, 2025, 2:42 AM UTC

eth0ws wrote: post #791

"When compared to Intel-based systems, it delivers up to 86x faster AI performance" I'm imagining the engineers responsible for running the tests finely tuning the test suite for days and days so they could get that number into the press release, lol. There's no way that's a coincidence and someone definitely advocated for that line being the way it is. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/10/apple-unveils-new-14-...

What does AI performance even mean for intel based mac systems.. The last one was like 5 years ago?

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by ar_lan » Thu, Oct 16, 2025, 2:46 AM UTC

zargon wrote: post #682

jay_kyburz wrote: post #644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

nevermind. Found this. Still a ways to go. https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m4/#tab...

Asahi will probably only ever be feasible for years-old hardware. macOS is a total non-starter for me, so maybe one day I’ll end up with one of these, but only as some kind of tertiary / retro machine.

Why is it a non-starter for you?

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by XelNika » Thu, Oct 16, 2025, 2:51 AM UTC

Aperocky wrote: post #817

eth0ws wrote: post #791

"When compared to Intel-based systems, it delivers up to 86x faster AI performance" I'm imagining the engineers responsible for running the tests finely tuning the test suite for days and days so they could get that number into the press release, lol. There's no way that's a coincidence and someone definitely advocated for that line being the way it is. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/10/apple-unveils-new-14-...

What does AI performance even mean for intel based mac systems.. The last one was like 5 years ago?

> production 1.7GHz quad-core Intel Core i7-based 13-inch MacBook Pro systems with Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645, 16GB of RAM, and 2TB SSD

https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/#footnote-4

So yes, that is compared to a very old 14 nm design, presumably the i7-8557U per Wikipedia.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by jdiff » Thu, Oct 16, 2025, 2:55 AM UTC

eth0ws wrote: post #791

"When compared to Intel-based systems, it delivers up to 86x faster AI performance" I'm imagining the engineers responsible for running the tests finely tuning the test suite for days and days so they could get that number into the press release, lol. There's no way that's a coincidence and someone definitely advocated for that line being the way it is. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/10/apple-unveils-new-14-...

I'm quite upset I have nobody I know in real life who will appreciate this line.