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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

> killed tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands

Article says 400 people died.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

Netanyahu's goal is endless war and conflict so that he'll never have to leave office and finally face criminal charges. I think Oct 7 is exactly what he wanted also.

netanyahu trial is ongoing and actually been picking up pace in past month

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

> it's interesting how all sides seem to have lost Benjamin Netanyahu is still in power, his trial for corruption continually delayed as a direct consequence of the war: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu

Yes, things look pretty bright for Netanyahu, and the others in the Israeli state who want to do ethnic cleansing or worse. And settlers who want to do ethnic cleansing (not everyone! a minority I presume), are happy too.

Not many mistakes made here, just others who are mistaken about the goals

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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You should look into the accounts of doctors who are not allowed to take in baby food. Israeli mobs destroying aid trucks. Israeli soldiers gloating about killing children.

While Hamas has done atrocities, this does not allow atrocities to be committed in response. Especially by an occupying power that controls every variable in the environment.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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> ripped fetuses out of pregnant women This is insane brutality. A cursory search, I don't want to do more than that, tells me it's a misattribution of an older Mexican cartel murder.

Huh, interesting. Search with Grok seems to concur. While they did commit many atrocities against women and children, the ripping from belly events failed journalistic verification.

Insane brutality has happened on both sides. However the statistical numbers are different, before oct 7 and after, one side has been much more successful in its brutalization of the other.

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"What we have seen throughout this is not criticism. It is hate. It is often directed at Jews, not just at the Israeli government. Not 100% but a large percentage." This is exactly the blackpill. I live in a Muslim-majority country. Jews and Muslims have been allies since the start of Islamic history. Yes, there was some hate for Jews 20 years ago, but it has been gradually displaced into Zionist hate. The recent ana…

I'm not sure where you get "Jews and Muslims have been allies since the start of Islamic history" and then you pivot to hate for Jews 20 years ago. Antisemitism is alive and kicking. Hate to Jews has not been "displaced into Zionist hate". It's just s/Jews/Zionists/ the hate is the same hate. The blood libels are the same blood libels. The stereotypes the same stereotypes. If you are talking about how Jews have been…

For a century, Israel has been telling the world that they represented Jews, and Nakba was what the Jews wanted and it was their right. So for a century, the world hated Jews because of this narrative. And only recently people are learning the truth.

There's a lot to unpack in the last 1400 years, but basically everyone cherry picks what they want to see.

Medina, the first actual Islamic state, was established on an alliance between the Muslims and Jewish tribes. When the Muslims took Jerusalem, they welcomed the Jewish back. There's a few of these right up until Ottoman times. Dhimmi literally meant "protected person" - they can't be attacked or looted by Muslims and were not conscripted. Alliances aren't necessarily friendships, and a lot of these were built on mutual protection vs a common enemy rather than brotherhood.

Even in recent times, there's common grounds, especially in terms of religion. It's a kind of cousinhood. Notably all kosher food is halal, though not vice versa. In countries with both, it's popular to have a Jewish/Muslim district and Muslims often join Jewish student accommodations.

Of course there's plenty of bad history, but I find that the people who are pro-genocide will bring up massacres by Muslims. The people who advocate for treating Israeli Arabs as second-rate citizens will bring up dhimmis.

In the end, we pick the history we want to repeat.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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A big question for me continues to be how much of Israel's behavior isn't really about best options for Israel as a state, but power politics for particular political factions internally.

but that's how every polity operates, you can't influence it more than people already try to influence it. you can ask the same of Hamas, is theirs the policy the populace wants? Israel does have a robust free speech democracy and you can easily learn what many of the different factions think, and like elections anywhere, you don't know till afterward how it plays out, and voters are always disappointed by the way po…

> Israel does have a robust free speech democracy

That is debated. The IDF censors thousands of articles, both domestic and abroad, every year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Military_Censor

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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International law forbids a lot of things Israel already does. If it respected international law it would withdraw to its internationally recognized borders.

Israel's internationally recognized borders are the borders of Mandatory Palestine. The 1948 borders were ceasefire lines - the fact that they were not internationally recognized borders was for decades the justification for cross-border attacks.

The Israeli settlements in the West Bank are illegal under international law.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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So what would you do if you're Israel? Suck it up? Leave the hostages to rot in Gaza? Wait until the next coordinated attack from Iran, Lebanon, Syria, the West Bank and Gaza? Israel's enemies want it destroyed- that's what's at stake here. If Hamas had a chance it would keep going and murder all Israelis, not just the ones they managed to before they were repelled. What sort of adaptation are you proposing? I do agr…

"What we have seen throughout this is not criticism. It is hate. It is often directed at Jews, not just at the Israeli government. Not 100% but a large percentage." This is exactly the blackpill. I live in a Muslim-majority country. Jews and Muslims have been allies since the start of Islamic history. Yes, there was some hate for Jews 20 years ago, but it has been gradually displaced into Zionist hate. The recent ana…

  > Jews and Muslims have been allies since the start of Islamic history.
Only when the Jews were Dhimis - in fact as I understand it the term literally means to protect. But we are not interested in being Dhimis any longer - no more taxes to Muslims, and we want to hold prestigious jobs and own land and participate in government.
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