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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by Sharlin »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #739
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

This "Microsoft are good guys" is a bizarre recurring comment that has appeared on HN for quite a while now It's like pretending people must choose from Russia, North Korea, South Sudan or the Central African Republic Who are the good guys None of these companies are "good guys" These "Leave Microsoft alone" HN comments will undoubtedly persist Perhaps there are MS employees who comment on HN and they are sensitive a…

> This "Microsoft are good guys" is a bizarre recurring comment that has appeared on HN for quite a while now

Well, yes, that's called generational change. A lot of people have never experienced the bad old Microsoft, only the pretty cool guy Microsoft.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by Sharlin »

eadmund wrote: post #312
sho_hn wrote: post #226

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> Even among tech people, they have good will Wait, do they? I mostly remember: - A neglected desktop OS with slowly deteriorating quality - Aimless products like the Vision Pro that seems to have failed as the "get the devs excited" premium SDK launch everyone described it as - Rocky start issues on Apple Intelligence, nerfed Siri, etc. - Unexciting iPhone launch and lots of ridicule levied on Liquid Glass It's the…

You forgot things like shipping decades-old free software with their OS because Apple are so implacably opposed to their users having freedom to use, examine, modify and share that software.

Funnily I just yesterday realized that my macOS-bundled bash version is (was) from 2007 because $BASH_ALIASES (introduced in bash 4) didn't work.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by wolvesechoes »

827a wrote: post #163

My deepest concern at this time isn't that AI eventually gets written down to nothing; because I don't think it will. Its that these companies are so scared of being out-competed by an AI-first competitor that they're willing to make deep sacrifices to their core businesses just to effectively virtue signal that they're AI first and unable to be out-competed. It is deeply concerning because all things point to realit…

Yes yes, big corpos bad, startups good, I hecking love my Cursor agent.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by herbst »

gmueckl wrote: post #435
meindnoch wrote: post #404

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

> And they have behaved relatively nice for so long that some young adults don't know any other side of MS now.

Only if you have no soul or morals

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by herbst »

withinboredom wrote: post #809
fnord123 wrote: post #782

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> Excel single-handedly redeems Microsoft from being a pure drain on human existence Debatable. Excel can't even open CSV files properly. You need to run the import wizard. But loads of people don't do this. They see a file on their desktop and double click it. Why can't double clicking a CSV file just open the import wizard!? (Because they want people to share xlsx files as a data format.)

I assume most Americans don't run into the CSV hell that other countries do. In my current country, whether CSVs open as a comma-separated or semi-colon seperated document depends on whether the OS is set to use a , or a . for decimal numbers. It's absolutely annoying.

Americans don't use CSV?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by KaiserPro »

theptip wrote: post #307
827a wrote: post #163

My deepest concern at this time isn't that AI eventually gets written down to nothing; because I don't think it will. Its that these companies are so scared of being out-competed by an AI-first competitor that they're willing to make deep sacrifices to their core businesses just to effectively virtue signal that they're AI first and unable to be out-competed. It is deeply concerning because all things point to realit…

> Google has world-class research teams that have produced unbelievable models, without any plan at all on how those make it into their products beyond forcing a chat window into Google Drive. NotebookLM is a genuinely novel AI-first product. YouTube gaining an “ask a question about this video” button, this is a perfect example of how to sprinkle AI on an existing product. Extremely slow, but the obvious incremental…

> Apple in particular is inexcusable

This isn't me defending apple, but, let me play out a little scenario:

"hey siri, book me tickets to see tonight's game"

"sure thing, champ"

>

"I have booked the tickets, they are now in your apple wallet"

>

You buy apple because "it works" (yes, most of that is hype, but the vertical integration is actually good, not great for devs/tinkerers though.) AI just adds in a 10-30% chance of breaking what seems to be a simple workflow.

You don't notice with chatGPT, because you expect it to be the dipshit in your pocket. You don't expect apple to be shit. (although if you've tried to ask for a specific track whilst driving, you know how shit that is. )

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by Hilift »

pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

No one wants cross platform.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by automatic6131 »

scbrg wrote: post #752
sevensor wrote: post #699

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Excel single-handedly redeems Microsoft from being a pure drain on human existence, but I can’t see what the point of the company is beyond that. Enterprise something something maybe. And declining literacy makes Powerpoint unfortunately indispensable.

Interesting. I consider Excel the worst of Microsoft's misdeeds. Not that there's not an abundance to pick from, but Excel may very well top the list. It's perhaps the single worst database in the world; with no type control, no relationship management, no data safety whatsoever to speak of (it even actively mangles your data), its interface is utter madness, and yet - it's the most used database in the world. It's p…

What you fail to realize is that (nearly) everything you think of as a flaw here is a key feature.

Excel allows norm(al users)ies to scale Mt Impossible from the bottom where they don't care about types, or relationships, and don't want to (because it's too abstract). They want to solve a problem. So they start with simple data given meaning by physical space, and work up from there.

It's genius. It's computing for people that will never care about pointers.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by Ygg2 »

meindnoch wrote: post #404
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

> For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for:

That's true, but there is a catch in your wording. For the last 15 year, Microsoft has:

- Adopted open source/free software and gave contributions to various project (e.g. Linux in 2012 https://www.phoronix.com/news/MTEwNzE)

- Abandoned the worst web browser in existence. That they created :)

- Abandoned ActiveX (29 years ago), Silverlight (4 years ago)

+ Opened .NET to more platform than just Windows. It can now run very well on Linux, Mac, etc.

+ Made many of its locked down stuff open source - .NET, Z3, hell there was that few weeks ago open sourcing of the WinUI framework, etc.

+ Pivoted towards the cloud where OSS software synergizes with their cloud offerings.

Do they do corrupt deals with governments? Well yes, but so does every other big corp. And making cringe hardware isn't a crime in itself.

Do they still do a lot of shady shit? You bet, but they only started getting worse a few years ago. You are thinking it doesn't come in waves and it was all evil, all the time.

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