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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

gopher_space wrote: post #579
bigyabai wrote: post #353

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> why there is no "just stop fighting" option I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that, though I admit I'm not up-to-date on Israeli affairs. Don't the overwhelming majority of outsiders want a two-state solution, or failing that a more secular Israeli administration? Through a lens of historical context and not just Oct 7th, it's hard for me to believe that Israelis don't know how to attain regional…

> Through a lens of historical context and not just Oct 7th, it's hard for me to believe that Israelis don't know how to attain regional peace. The subtext to this conflict is that every avenue leading towards a lasting peace also opens the Netanyahu regime to prosecution. Israel isn't an ex-Soviet satellite with a dictator propped up by a cold war giant, but their actions become predictable if you think of the state…

Yeah, basically the only reason they didn't keep the ceasefire is because Netanyahu would have been pushed out of power (and could therefore be tried for corruption more effectively).

But ultimately, the current government is what a (small) majority of Israelis want, which is the most depressing part of this entire conflict.

IDF service is mandatory and there appears to be no resistance to this, which supports the point above.

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Post by nradov »

immibis wrote: post #796
nradov wrote: post #731

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Nah. Israel is a nuclear power. They have a right to exist and won't just quietly disappear. If they feel that they're facing an existential threat then they'll use those weapons. I'm not saying that this is a good thing, just that it would be the most likely outcome. The current situation is bad for everyone involved but it could get even worse.

Gaza is within Israel. Israel can't nuke Gaza without also nuking large parts of Israel.

Gaza isn't the existential threat.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #492
xorcist wrote: post #407

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They shouldn't but the harsh reality is that we all suffer for the mistakes of our leaders. Put bad people in power (Hamas) and everyone pays.

> Put bad people in power (Hamas) and everyone pays.

Put bad people in power (Likud) and everyone pays.

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Post by C6JEsQeQa5fCjE »

TsiCClawOfLight wrote: post #761
C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #723

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> Having left the church, it's much clearer to me that Arabs and Jews have both lived there for thousands of years Yes, and there was a lot of mixing and slow but gradual conversion to the dominant socio-cultural muslim group that happened over more than a millenium. After the muslim conquest of Levant in about 630 AD, caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab lifted the Christian ban on Jews entering Jerusalem some time later duri…

South Africa is currently performing a reverse genocide against the White population. It's a war zone. Saying that it's better is quite short sighted.

Do you mean the land reform so that the minority white descendants of colonists don't still control 90% of the land even 30 years after the apartheid was officially ended?

If not, can you share links to proof that there is something more serious going on, that would deserve to be called genocide against the white population?

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Post by abirch »

giardini wrote: post #621
abirch wrote: post #455

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I love Tetlock's "Super Forecasting" Basically experts only do slightly better than random on predicting in their area of expertise.

What does Tetlock say about the utility of expert forecasting?

There are superforecasters, but they're not the pundits you see on TV. Superforecasting is a great book, see if your library has it.

From: https://ig.ft.com/sites/business-book-award/books/2015/longl...

In a landmark 20 year study, Professor Philip Tetlock showed that even the average expert was only slightly better at predicting the future than random guesswork. Tetlock’s latest project, an unprecedented government funded forecasting tournament involving over a million individual predictions has since shown that there are, however, some people with real demonstrable foresight.

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Post by xg15 »

nradov wrote: post #643
crote wrote: post #602

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So who will be in power? You've got to remember that Hamas was democratically elected back in 2006, and its main rival Fatah isn't exactly pro-Israel either. Given the circumstances, I don't think there could possibly be a democratically elected government in Gaza which is pro-Israel or even neutral-Israel. Your only option is a puppet dictatorship government installed by Israel - but that's not really going to impro…

France no longer has to live with the risk of of a conventional invasion by Germany because France has nuclear weapons now and Germany does not. If a terrorist group was using German territory as a base to launch attacks against France and the German government refused to stop them then I'm pretty sure that France would retaliate kinetically, even if that meant some collateral damage. The USA did this in 2001 when Al…

Israel also has nuclear weapons...

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Post by omnee »

tangled wrote: post #587
swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

To quote the NYTimes: “Despite the desperate humanitarian crisis, a survey conducted in May by the Institute for National Security Studies at Tel Aviv University found that 64.5 percent of the Israeli public was not at all, or not very, concerned about the humanitarian situation in Gaza.” “About three-quarters of Israeli Jews thought that Israel's military planning should not take into account the suffering of the Pa…

The banality of evil on full display. These very same people will claim in the future that they were misled or did not understand the gravity of crimes being committed in Gaza and the West Bank.

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Post by originalvichy »

cm2012 wrote: post #628
steinvakt2 wrote: post #462

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As a Norwegian, it is absolutely baffling how someone can seriously utter the words "I am in full support of Israel's actions in Gaza". Is the media coverage that different in USA than in Europe? How is it possible?

I try very hard to find credible primary and secondary sources of what's true on the ground. For Gaza, but also for Ukraine, Myanmar, Sudan, I am basically a nerd about conflict zones. From all of my research, I believe the IDF gets a bad rap but is no worse in Gaza than any Western army would be in the same situation. And indeed we can see that in dug in cities like the coalition forces vs ISIS in Mosul, civilian ca…

The United States occupation of Iraq was like a trip to an amusement park compared to Gaza. Please don't compare the IDF to the US military. At least the US military and its soldiers had RoE that they respected. Any breaking of those rules did not get ignored like they do in the IDF.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

cholantesh wrote: post #530
Workaccount2 wrote: post #298

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Hamas doesn't issue uniforms to its soldiers, except for publicity shots and some small spec ops units. This isn't even propaganda or anything, go watch footage from either side of the fighting. Dressing your soldiers as civilians is in fact using "human shields".

Literally no human rights organization endorses this claim. Meanwhile, the IDF has been caught on video forcing civilians at gunpoint to enter combat zones ahead of them. This actually fits the definition of 'human shielding', but oddly, it doesn't factor into your calculus. So much for being an adult.

Why would I go to a third party when I can see the evidence directly? Both israelis and palestinians post raw footage on back channels.

You are pretty much saying "Don't look at the raw footage, listen to what these groups say instead"

No thanks, I favor primary sources.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

sc68cal wrote: post #701
lotsofpulp wrote: post #80

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There is a lot of precedent for one tribe eliminating another tribe to gain land. The only way a conflict over land ends is if one side wins.

Someone from the first world claiming might makes right? Convenient.

Is that not how the universe works?
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