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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by lordfrito »

spencerflem wrote: post #793
lordfrito wrote: post #757

More and more I don't understand what's happening with all of these political articles making it to the front page of HN and stuffed full of charged comments and lots of grey. We may be smart techies but the arguments here about politics seem awfully reductive. We're out of our lane on most of this. What's with all the hate here? The commentary here feels like its sliding it's way towards Reddit. Maybe I'm wrong, or…

I think its reflective of broader society. For this issue in specific- You either think sending the military to break up protests against the wishes of the governor and mayor and against the bounds of the constituion is a problem, or you are insane. When ICE wears masks and whisks people off the street and sends them to overseas torture camps without warning or due process, you are either opposed or insane. There's h…

> To be clear- if you support what's happening here: you are a bad person. i genuinely hate you.

This is the kind of political reductionism I was referring to. It's not OK to "genuinely hate" a person (or group of people) you've never even met, based on a single binary opinion you hold.. that's some serious "othering" going on. People aren't so black and white.

If your comment was meant as sarcasm I don't get it.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by 4d4m »

const_cast wrote: post #765
matt-attack wrote: post #604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe they just got tired of millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? We had unprecedented levels of illegal immigration over the last four years. Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone? Why jump to these conspiracy notions about division and blatantly ignore the simplest and most obvious explanation.

> Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone? Coming as someone living in Texas - yes, it affects no one. It's always been an hallucination. We just attribute random things to "the illegals" when, in reality, they're not hurting anyone. In fact, if you've ever been in Texas, you'd know this state is run by illegals. I drive around and I see homes being built out the wazoo and who's on the roof?…

Absolutely. Our country is built on the work of immigrants as much as anyone else. We should celebrate every hard worker that contributes with a path to citizenship.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

aaronbaugher wrote: post #807
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #806

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Even Ronald Reagan wasn't as cruel as the current regime and implemented an Amnesty for millions instead of doing what Trump/ICE are currently doing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control...

Reagan's amnesty, like the others, was a bait and switch. The DC/corporate establishment said, "Let us amnesty the ones that are here, and we'll get control of the border and stop the flow." After getting their amnesty, the second part never happens. That's led directly to the current mess because it taught people that the most important thing is to get into the country, regardless of legality, so you could be in pla…

Exactly right.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by lazyeye »

matt-attack wrote: post #601
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #497

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Because this isn't about that. This is about having a perceived enemy that only you can fight. If it wasn't immigrants (legal or illegal), it would be a different group, within or outside of your borders. It's fascism 101.

Perceived enemy? Even the most liberal of cities touting themselves as “sanctuary cities” had to pivot and declare they simply cannot handle the influx. 12million immigrants came into the country during the Biden administration. This type of load on the system does not go unnoticed. NYC for example was drastically transformed. Why do you think it’s just a “perceived” problem?

12 million is equivalent to the average population of 2 states.

The Democrats, who love to lecture everybody about "protecting democracy", are attempting to sway voter demographics in their favor through illegal immigration. California used to be a Republican state till it was turned deep blue through immigration.

And one-party states produce the worst, most incompetent politicians, who rise to the top not through the battle of ideas, ability and accountability but through political favors and backroom deals.

Gavin Newsom is the perfect example of this.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by jknoepfler »

ETH_start wrote: post #672
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #497

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Because this isn't about that. This is about having a perceived enemy that only you can fight. If it wasn't immigrants (legal or illegal), it would be a different group, within or outside of your borders. It's fascism 101.

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Uh, no. This is about illegal detainment of people (some of whom are citizens) by federal law enforcement. The overwhelming majority of citizens want a functioning immigration system (and a functioning criminal justice system). What I and others won't abide is law enforcement violating their oath and illegally detaining and deporting people.

Obeying illegal orders to attack American citizens on American soil is certainly something, but it isn't law enforcement.

If this were actually about law enforcement, we would have passed the bipartisan border protection / immigration bill that has been on the table for eons.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by [deleted] »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #586
pvdebbe wrote: post #467

Question from outsider: if a Marine uses lethal force against a civilian in this case, in what court will he be tried?

The way this is usually handled with smaller crimes (DUI) is that the local civilian court gets “dibs” but the military installation can ask to discipline someone under the military system (Uniform Code of Military Justice, UCMJ). Usually the locals are happy to let a military person be disciplined by the military. It keeps the burden off the civilian system, which usually has plenty of other cases to get through. Pl…

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by spencerflem »

lordfrito wrote: post #811
spencerflem wrote: post #793

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think its reflective of broader society. For this issue in specific- You either think sending the military to break up protests against the wishes of the governor and mayor and against the bounds of the constituion is a problem, or you are insane. When ICE wears masks and whisks people off the street and sends them to overseas torture camps without warning or due process, you are either opposed or insane. There's h…

> To be clear- if you support what's happening here: you are a bad person . i genuinely hate you. This is the kind of political reductionism I was referring to. It's not OK to "genuinely hate" a person (or group of people) you've never even met, based on a single binary opinion you hold.. that's some serious "othering" going on. People aren't so black and white. If your comment was meant as sarcasm I don't get it.

No its not sarcasm.

And idk, but I'm just saying what I feel. I don't think its unique to this forum, more just what's going on in society.

The issues happening are not the type of thing where we can agree to disagre. There isn't a middle road. The ideologies behind it are based on hate and fear and greed. America's not going to be a democracy much longer and friends of mine are in life threatening danger.

I could not be friends with someone who supported this IRL or online.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by [deleted] »

daft_pink wrote: post #791
Cheer2171 wrote: post #490

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Sorry, shattered most of the windows of the central business district, destroyed virtually every grocery store and pharmacy to the point of an almost total loss, carried away most anything of value that could be reasonably carried away on foot from any retailer or small business, vandalized tons of private property/vehicles. Lit tons of police cars on fire. I don’t still live there. Honestly, it convinced me right or…

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Post by scoofy »

crmd wrote: post #4

I worry that, rather than de-escalation, one of the White House’s explicit goals here is to stage manage a Kent State-like demonstration of state force against left-wing activists that spreads to other cities. I sincerely hope I’m cynically wrong here.

I think the goal hear is to "both sides" the concept of insurrection to neuter the January 6th criticism of his administration. The protesters here, at least in some cases, are doing their protests explicitly to prevent the government from enforcing laws that the protestors don't like.
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