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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by goodluckchuck »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #283
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego. This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to hau…

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Post by goodluckchuck »

soupfordummies wrote: post #374
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

It's hard for me to see this as anything more than "they resisted Trump, that pissed him off and now he's further retaliating." Side question I've been wrestling with to whoever feels like commenting: At what point would you look at our current US situation and say "yep, we're now in a dictatorship"

I would read the constitution and come to terms with the fact that the executive authority is vested in a president. It’s not quite a king, because it’s not passed down by inheritance and they can’t enact laws by fiat… but the president is supremely powerful during their term.

And that’s good. There’s no denying that the executive branch (its agencies, officers, regulators, etc) is supremely powerful. The only question is whether the public have any democratic control over the exercise of that authority.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by 9dev »

lenerdenator wrote: post #379
9dev wrote: post #350

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But why stick your head out? The people you’re referring to got where they are now by being ruthless, egocentric, power-hungry opportunists; these kinds of people don’t risk their careers over some vague sense of gratitude for their Alma mater.

Some might feel like challenging the silverback because, well, they're ruthless, egocentric, power-hungry opportunists. On the other hand this could just be seen as aristocracy battling it out over who's more aristocratic while the rest of us trudge on, so...

> Some might feel like challenging the silverback

That would be about as smart as challenging an actual silverback. Trump, and his administration by extension, are just past their power zenith right now. They ignore the judicial branch, send people to gulags without fair trial, accept 400 million dollar bribes on live TV, fuck over allies, suppress the press, force universities and schools to align with propaganda, lie openly about about government affairs, prioritise personal acclaim over national security, trash the global economy due to an elementary school level understanding of trade relations… This list could go on for quite a while and would still miss critically dangerous and unprecedented acts.

The democrats can't find a coherent voice; the republicans have been dismantled and are firmly in MAGA control; the people trust random TikTok influencers more than reputable journalists; judges must fear being imprisoned over doing their job; scientists and activists could get detained, deported, or imprisoned at any time and are fleeing the country.

That is the setting. That is what is happening right now. Even on the highest echelons of power, rebelling against this tsunami of corruption, delusion, and destruction is futile. All you get is a demotion, a muzzle, or a sentence. Just look at Marco Rubio; I seriously doubt he believes even a shred of all the bullshit he has to proclaim with a straight face, but he's as trapped in this as the rest of us, whether he's behind his administration or not.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by goodluckchuck »

goodluckchuck wrote: post #811
fnordpiglet wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego. This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to hau…

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

acdha wrote: post #644
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #505

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It’s a short but sweeping claim without a citation in sight. That’s a recipe for a flame war but it probably won’t lead to a useful discussion since anyone who would respond is simply guessing at what you’re even talking about or whether you actually arrived at that position through research rather than simple partisan loyalty.

Ah. I worked there for years, still spend a lot of time there, and therefore know a lot of people who either are or were there. I should have said that.

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Post by firesteelrain »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #724
firesteelrain wrote: post #227

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Under 8 U.S.C. § 1372, the SEVIS (Student and Exchange Visitor Information System) program requires schools to report data on international students including what DHS has been asking for. Harvard may argue that DHS’s request was overly broad, lacked due process, or sought information beyond what the law permits. 8 CFR § 214.3(g) and § 214.4(b), which require schools to maintain and furnish records “as required by th…

Could Harvard be eligible for damages?

Given that Harvard’s own report supports this administration’s findings I am doubtful. Harvard’s own ASAIB report proved there is a prevalence of antisemitism and anti-Israel bias which includes verbal harassment, discriminatory comments hostile environments in academic settings pertaining to Israel and the Middle East, and exclusion of Jewish students from certain campus activities and organizations due to their perceived political affiliations

Link https://www.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/FINAL-Har...

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Post by mschuster91 »

nashashmi wrote: post #777
mschuster91 wrote: post #556

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> Israelis are upset at the student protests and are influencing the university to crush them. That's putting it mildly . Jewish students got beaten up, spat upon and verbally abused just for being Jewish after Oct 7th. No matter on which side one is in the I/P conflict, there is no justification at all to attack random Jews because of whatever Bibi is doing - it's not just bullshit because what can a Jew in the US e…

> Jewish students got beaten up, spat upon and verbally abused just for being Jewish after Oct 7th Actually Palestinians have gotten beaten up spat on and verbally abused. This is documented multiple times on YouTube. There has even been false flag attacks by Israeli supporters dressing up as Palestinian supporters and then falsifying abuses. There has been attempts to lure pro Palestinians to attack Jews as well. OT…

> Protesting against a country does not make a protester a threat.

Indeed but protesting a country happens at an embassy or on some public square usually used for rallies.

Let's draw a comparison: I don't like Trump but I don't go and beat up some random on the street for wearing an American flag, I go and protest in front of the local embassy (which, for the record, I actually did during his first term when Heather Heyer was murdered. Man, time flies.) I also don't go and throw rocks through the window of a McDonalds (something that happened to many Jewish restaurants), I also don't go and throw incendiary bombs on the nearest Evangelical church, and for fucks sake I also don't take a gun and shoot someone leaving the embassy like in yesterday's double murder of Jews in Washington.

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Post by koonsolo »

woggy wrote: post #577
kurtis_reed wrote: post #365

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Oh please

I think you have your head in the sand. This Harvard thing is just one example. Just saw a report this morning (Aus time) of an Australian detained, stripped, and held overnight in a US federal prison. She was just coming in to visit her husband. Who the hell will want to come to the US now? You are going to suffer a massive reverse brain drain. You got a 30% tariff tax, kidnapping of random people off the street inc…

It will all depend if he is able to keep control past the 2028 elections. If he can, it's a dictatorship for life with family successors.

He is openly lining up the whole thing already: being able to do another term, "stolen elections", etc.

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Post by acdha »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #722
acdha wrote: post #644

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It’s a short but sweeping claim without a citation in sight. That’s a recipe for a flame war but it probably won’t lead to a useful discussion since anyone who would respond is simply guessing at what you’re even talking about or whether you actually arrived at that position through research rather than simple partisan loyalty.

Nice. But none of the anti - trump comments bother with evidence. I hate what aboutism but this is too blatant. Everyone who follows the media even a little bit is fully aware of what OP is talking about. Very ugly things are taking place under the guise of DEI and other such dishonest terms.

This is a great example of the problem. You clearly think there’s some “ugly things” which are widespread in your media diet, but nobody else can read your mind to know what those things are or how honest the people who told you about them were, and we don’t even know if they’re the same things the original poster had in mind.

Now, based on your characterization of even questioning a bold assertion of illegality as anti-Trump we can make some assumptions about your position and media diet, but those aren’t likely to be completely accurate and it’s unlikely that a thread started on a poor footing will result in a good conversation.

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