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Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Because there are regulations for the infotainment system as well. For example, you can't watch videos or read SMS/messages. Not to mention that the infotainment system likely has access to the CAN bus, through which you _could_ impact other safety systems.

Doesn't the OBD2 port give me the same CAN access? I just bought one of those generic adapters and was going to mess around with it.

The OBD2 port is behind a gateway so it is not the same.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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I don't understand the reasoning you are making here. Cars have had advanced safety features like emergency breaking for a long time now (e.g. Toyota Crown Majesta 2003). Furthermore, there are many safety features that are controlled by software (e.g. airbags and seatbelts) that exist in all cars manufactured today.

Well.. just Google "unintentional airbag deployment."

Equipment that isn't controlled by software is also prone to failure. Unintentional airbag deployment is a very rare phenomenon.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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I'm not sure why you have the downvotes. Even it's mostly just about GPS, the built-in screen is better than iPhone on a somewhat dodgy clip attached to a vent someplace. Unless the car were otherwise compelling--and it's a pretty competitive market--not sure I'd buy a car without CarPlay.

I want a car with a phone holder built in! My phone will always be higher powered and more update than any tech in the car. Give me a car with no computer, but a phone stand and charger built in! Oh oh, we could even use a standard like monitor stands.

> My phone will always be higher powered and more update than any tech in the car.

Carplay is your phone, it's like having an external monitor

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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That's a very Boeing friendly way of putting it. As I understand it, yes the system worked as designed, but the design still managed to kill several hundred people. I'm not qualified to evaluate the design of the system itself. Was it inherently flawed or would everything have been fine if the optional backup sensor had been mandatory, making this another example of corporate greed causing tragedy? Either way, I don'…

My recollection is it applied flight control input when the pilots did not expect it. The system was documented but not present on other 737 models. Definitely not trying to be Boeing friendly fwiw.

Yeah, that matches my understanding. It was the

> a flight control feature the pilots didn't know about

phrasing that made me take issue. To me, it implies that if just the pilots had known about MCAS in detail, the crashes wouldn't have happened, implicitly placing the blame on them. While the reason for both the faulty system and the lack of knowledge can be attributed to Boeing trying to save money, which I think is a more fair target for blame.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Well.. just Google "unintentional airbag deployment."

Equipment that isn't controlled by software is also prone to failure. Unintentional airbag deployment is a very rare phenomenon.

Some of them were caused by nothing other than faulty software. Which is the point. The more links in the chain the higher the overall failure rate. Which has implications on MTBF but also on overall failed deployments.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Willing to invest $5 if you're down... :-)

Thank you for the interest, I wish VCs shared your enthusiasm haha!

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Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Is it about price or reliability? I never had a manual window winder fail to work, but electric window buttons breaking or the motor getting stuck (e.g. in icy conditions) has happened at some point in every car I've owned. The convenience factor hugely outweighs the rare failures for me, but I could see why someone buying a Wrangler for its intended purpose might actually prefer the manual option.

I've had manual winders fail

same, the cable style are prone to seize. the older manual winders that use a segment of a sheet metal gear and levers were bulletproof though.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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I just want to outline my overarching concern off the bat with similar sentiments I see expressed exactly in this vein by people: there's a very strong potential for serious cognitive biases, and, frankly, simple flawed logic, to be operant in the statement, "I do not need emergency assistance because I am skilled driver". The fallacy is that simply because a low-probability event hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean…

> I just want to outline my overarching concern off the bat with similar sentiments I see expressed exactly in this vein by people: there's a very strong potential for serious cognitive biases, and, frankly, simple flawed logic, to be operant in the statement, "I do not need emergency assistance because I am skilled driver". Sure; and I'm sure you likewise recognize that there's a difference between "This could never…

I think my overall take on that is I don't actually have this strong desire to preserve people's freedom to be unsafe on public roads.

Perhaps, if it were truly a personal decision, I'd be more charitable.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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My ideal car: - No Internet connection - No touchscreens - No LCD dashboard; I like dials. - 100% user-repairable; there should be no need to go to a dealer if one can easily fix a problem themselves or one wants to go to an independent mechanic (often cheaper!) - Buttons and (analog, not digital) dials for the media center - Media center with ONLY Bluetooth, CD player, and radio media center - Analog locks (not soft…

What you're describing is a 1990's car, except for the bluetooth part. I would buy one like this too, assuming it's half the price that is. I've never used the mapping software on any of my vehicles, google maps on my phone is way better.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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My ideal car: - No Internet connection - No touchscreens - No LCD dashboard; I like dials. - 100% user-repairable; there should be no need to go to a dealer if one can easily fix a problem themselves or one wants to go to an independent mechanic (often cheaper!) - Buttons and (analog, not digital) dials for the media center - Media center with ONLY Bluetooth, CD player, and radio media center - Analog locks (not soft…

Same. This is why I am rooting for Slate ( https://www.slate.auto/ ) to succeed. I hope everyone in this ridiculous software war loses and in the end they realize that there is a huge market for just basic no-frills car.

Their vehicles remind me of the Datsun trucks I saw as a kid in the 80's. I believe back then their value proposition was that they were cheap too.
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