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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by wqaatwt »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

> The more i think about it, the less difference i see.

You might consider trying not to view the world entirely in black and white then.

This sort of sentiment is not particularly productive especially in times like this..

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Post by wqaatwt »

charlescearl wrote: post #768
Braxton1980 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule…

The united states has the world’s largest incarcerated population. It currently dwarfs the number incarcerated by the Soviet Union during the 1930s. The USA has the fifth highest incarceration rate on the planet. In the Southeast United States, the incarceration rate of the Black population is 7% (as a point of comparison 2x the incarceration rate of minoritized Uyghur population of China per the World Uyghur Congres…

> It currently dwarfs the number incarcerated by the Soviet Union during the 1930s

That was certainly false if you look at the late 40s (not by much, only 2x or so though..)

However if you actually think (since you post nonsensical “statistics” that’s unlikely) about it the mortality rates in soviet concentration camps were massive, especially in the 1930s or during the war which significantly decreased the incarceration rate.

Can’t have a huge prison population if you just murder or starve everyone to death..

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by wqaatwt »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #534
Braxton1980 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule…

If you are talking about Khalil, he didn't just speak against Israel, it seems like his role in an org which openly supported Hamas may have played a part but didn't matter legally. The legal issue was that he left out facts on his green card application. I am 100% sure that support of terrorist orgs can invalidate your green card. https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-administration-claims-palest... > According to recent…

> We should wait for all the facts to come out.

Like indefinitely? Trump’s administration is ignoring the courts and there is no real oversight. Also whatever facts come out they will be drowned by all the other insane idiocy that the US government is doing so nobody will pay attention anyway..

When they start sending US citizens to El Salvador nobody is going to care about some guy whose green card got revoked.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by wqaatwt »

immibis wrote: post #779
tehjoker wrote: post #692

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> Do you condemn Hamas

What’s the alternative? Regardless of what Israel did or did not do Hamas could have ended this “war” at any moment they wanted to. None of their actions were in any way remotely in the interest of the people of Gaza. Providing them [Hamas] material or other support only prolonged it..

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Post by wqaatwt »

mlindner wrote: post #642
Braxton1980 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule…

> Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. You and I both know that isn't true and repeating that doesn't help anyone but further implant in people's minds that the other side is completely irrational and cannot be reasoned with. No, the US government is deporting people for supporting terrorist organizations, something that's always been a di…

> Equating Russia and the US is an extreme take.

Perhaps currently. How long do you think we should wait until we can start doing that? At the current pace probably a year or two?

I mean.. Putin wasn’t that bad in the early 2000s, nazis or fascists weren’t that awful in the 20s or 30s either (in relative terms compared to everyone else at the time) either. Waiting until its too late do change anything is maybe not the smartest thing, though..

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by tehjoker »

wqaatwt wrote: post #814
immibis wrote: post #779

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Do you condemn Hamas What’s the alternative? Regardless of what Israel did or did not do Hamas could have ended this “war” at any moment they wanted to. None of their actions were in any way remotely in the interest of the people of Gaza. Providing them [Hamas] material or other support only prolonged it..

The alternative is obvious: a single democratic state and the end of ethnosupremacy.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by jiggawatts »

dang wrote: post #109
alistairSH wrote: post #82

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The entire endeavor was orchestrated by Israel - that’s kinda the point here. Meta didn’t act on its own, as the edited title would imply.

I know, but for HN purposes, the point I made about titles is the higher-order bit. Threads like this, at best, waver on the edge of a hell pit. If it plummets in, the discussion won't stay on HN's front page anyhow. Title de-baiting is a way to support having a discussion that doesn't completely suck, to the extent that this is doable.

Thank you for your efforts to preserve the qualities of one of the few bastions of organic discussion on the Internet.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

arunabha wrote: post #785
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #444

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There are many reasons to question Krebs’ tenure and not all of them have to do with ignoring the state of election security, The Disinformation regime, viewpoint discrimination, or election interference. There is a list of things

Ending the statement with 'There is a list of things' and not providing it strongly suggests that you don't actually have any data or hard facts to back up your claims. You are a random person on an internet forum, the onus is in you to provide data to back up incredible claims.

Ok

The censorship & viewpoint discrimination pressure CISA was bringing to bear has been over the top.

At the same time Krebs was talking about how secure our election infrastructure was, prominent professors such as Matt Blaze & J Halderman that have researched election security said the opposite.

This historically has been a bipartisan& Aceademic issue with more Dems & Repubs & Academia supporting claims of insecurity.

Those of us in security are convinced that all this unpatched windows7 usage is crazy and Chris Krebs lying about election security isn’t being open and truthful with the American people.

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-j...

- The Associated Press reported in 2019 on the use of vulnerable Windows 7 software in election systems, highlighting risks in swing states. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-election-systems-u...

- NBC News revealed in 2020 that ES&S installed modems in voting machines, making them susceptible to hacking. [Note: The exact NBC News article from January 2020 titled "Voting Machines Vulnerable to Hacking Due to Modems" is not directly linked in the web results, but this matches the description in the thread. The full URL is not available in the provided web results, and I cannot search for it in real-time. You may need to look up the NBC News article from January 2020 for the precise link.]

- The Guardian exposed in 2015 that WinVote machines used weak passwords like "abcde," easily hackable from a distance. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/15/virginia-vot...

- The New York Times reported in 2015 on a leaked database of 191 million voter records, raising concerns about phishing and identity theft. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/us/politics/voting-record...

- Wired noted in 2016 that many voting machines ran on outdated Windows XP, lacking security patches since 2014. https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent...

- Politico detailed in 2016 how a voting machine was hacked in minutes by replacing ROM chips with malicious firmware. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/2016-electio...

- CBS reported in 2016 that hackers demonstrated voting machine vulnerabilities, showing a $15 hack could alter votes. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacker-demonstrates-how-voting-...

- ABC News confirmed in 2016 that voting machines can be hacked, especially in close elections, with malware erasing itself post-attack. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hack-election-experts-russia...

- The Atlantic warned in 2016 about electronic voting risks, citing a case where a machine was turned into a Pac-Man console. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/elect...

- FOX News covered a 2016 demonstration by a Princeton professor hacking a voting machine to shift votes undetected. https://www.foxnews.com/video/5126932108001

- Fortune reported in 2016 that Cylance researchers hacked a Sequoia AVC Edge machine, altering vote counts via a memory card. https://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-demonstra...

- Vox highlighted in 2016 that voting machines on Windows XP and voter databases online were vulnerable to hacking. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/134 educed/hackers-election-day-voting-machines

- PBS noted in 2016 that five states used digital voting systems without paper trails, increasing hacking risks. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/heres-how-hackers-migh...

- Slate reported in 2016 that 42 states used decade-old voting machines, prone to hacking and lacking paper trails. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/our-decrepit-vot...

- PBS revealed in 2016 that Pennsylvania's paperless machines made it impossible to verify vote tampering. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/recounts-no-u-s-electi...

- Politico warned in 2016 that 15 states, including Pennsylvania, used electronic voting machines without paper trails. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/us-elections-hacking-...

- Scientific American stated in 2017 that voting systems could be hacked by foreign powers, advocating for paper ballots. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-voting-system...

- Politico reported in 2017 on a Georgia election center's server misconfiguration, exposing voter data and passwords. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-...

- NPR cited a 2017 NSA report on Russian attempts to hack election systems, potentially targeting ballot programming. https://www.npr.org/2017/06/14/532824838/if-voting-machines-...

- HuffPost noted in 2017 that 15 states used hackable touch-screen voting machines without paper trails.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/voting-machines-hackable_n_59...

- Senator Elizabeth Warren's 2019 article highlighted vulnerabilities like outdated voter databases and paperless machines. https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-our-democrac...

- Senators Warren, Klobuchar, Wyden, and Pocan sent letters in 2019 to voting machine companies about security concerns. [Note: The direct link to the letters is not provided in the web results. These letters were sent to the private equity firms owning voting machine companies, as noted in the thread. You may need to search for "Warren Klobuchar Wyden Pocan voting machine letters 2019" to find the original source, possibly on a government or senator's website.]

- A 2019 compilation of media articles detailed election system vulnerabilities over four years post-2016 election.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/new-election-syste...

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