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I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
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Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#812I think people confuse the power of the technology with the very real bubble we’re living in. There’s no question that we’re in a bubble which will eventually subside, probably in a “dot com” bust kind of way. But let me tell you…last month I sent several hundred million requests to AI, as a single developer, and got exactly what I needed. Three things are happening at once in this industry… (1) executives are over p…
> But let me tell you…last month I sent several hundred million requests to AI, as a single developer, and got exactly what I needed There are 2.6 million seconds in a month. You are claiming to have sent hundreds of requests per second to AI.
That's exactly what happened – I called the OpenAI API, using custom application code running on a server, a few hundred million times.
It is trivial for a server to send/receive 150 requests per second to the API.
This is what I mean by instincts...we're used to thinking of developers-pressing-keys as a fundamental bottleneck, and it still is to a point. But as soon as the tracks are laid for the AI to "work", things go from speed-of-human-thought to speed-of-light.
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#813I think people confuse the power of the technology with the very real bubble we’re living in. There’s no question that we’re in a bubble which will eventually subside, probably in a “dot com” bust kind of way. But let me tell you…last month I sent several hundred million requests to AI, as a single developer, and got exactly what I needed. Three things are happening at once in this industry… (1) executives are over p…
> But let me tell you…last month I sent several hundred million requests to AI, as a single developer, and got exactly what I needed There are 2.6 million seconds in a month. You are claiming to have sent hundreds of requests per second to AI.
A lot of people are feeding all the email and slack messages for entire companies through AI to classify sentiment (positive, negative, neutral etc), or summarize it for natural language search using a specific dictionary. You can process each message multiple ways for all sorts of things, or classify images. There's a lot of uses for the smaller cheaper faster llms
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
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The technology is not just less than superintelligence, for many applications it is less than prior forms of intelligence like traditional search and Stack Exchange, which were easily accessible 3 years ago and are in the process of being displaced by LLMs. I find that outcome unimpressive. And this Tweeter's complaints do not sound like a demand for superintelligence. They sound like a demand for something far more…
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> This is just not a use case where the expected performance on these tasks is high.
Yet the hucksters hyping AI are falling all over themselves saying AI can do all this stuff. This is where the centi-billion dollar valuations are coming from. It's been years and these super hyped AIs still suck at basic tasks.
When pre-AI shit Google gave wrong answers it at least linked to the source of the wrong answers. LLMs just output something that looks like a link and calls it a day.
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#815WORD OF ADVICE FOR LLM BEARS!!
If you have tried to use LLMs and find them useless or without value, you should seriously consider learning how to correctly use them and doing more research. It is literally a skill issue and I promise you that you are in the process of being left behind. In the coming years Human + AI cooperatives are going to far surpass you in terms of efficiency and output. You are handicapping yourself by not becoming good at using them. These things can deliver massive value NOW. You are going to be a grumbling gray beard losing your job to 22 year old zoomers who spend 10 hours a day talking to LLMs.
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#816Earlier quoted context omitted.
The technology is not just less than superintelligence, for many applications it is less than prior forms of intelligence like traditional search and Stack Exchange, which were easily accessible 3 years ago and are in the process of being displaced by LLMs. I find that outcome unimpressive. And this Tweeter's complaints do not sound like a demand for superintelligence. They sound like a demand for something far more…
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I thought summarizing papers/stories/emails/meetings was one of the touted use cases of LLMs?
What are the use cases where the expected performance is high?
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#817Earlier quoted context omitted.
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> This is just not a use case where the expected performance on these tasks is high. Yet the hucksters hyping AI are falling all over themselves saying AI can do all this stuff. This is where the centi-billion dollar valuations are coming from. It's been years and these super hyped AIs still suck at basic tasks. When pre-AI shit Google gave wrong answers it at least linked to the source of the wrong answers. LLMs jus…
To be fair the newest tools like Deep Research are actually quite good and hallucination is essentially not a real problem for them.
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2025/02/de...
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
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I think that people who don't believe LLMs to be AGI are not very good at Venn diagrams. Because they certainly are artificial, general, and intelligent according to any dictionary.
Good grief. You are deeply confused and/or deeply literal. That's not the accepted definition of AGI in any sense. One does not evaluate each word has an isolated component for testing the truth of a statement in an open compound word. Does your "living room" have organs? For your edification: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligenc...
It is that or you can't recognize a tongue-in-cheek comment on goalpost shifting. Wiki page you linked has the original definition of the term from 1997, dig it up. Better yet, look at the history of that page in Wayback machine and see with your own eyes how ChatGPT release changed it.
For reference, 1997 original: By advanced artificial general intelligence, I mean AI systems that rival or surpass the human brain in complexity and speed, that can acquire, manipulate and reason with general knowledge, and that are usable in essentially any phase of industrial or military operations where a human intelligence would otherwise be needed.
2014 wiki requirements: reason, use strategy, solve puzzles, and make judgments under uncertainty; represent knowledge, including commonsense knowledge; plan; learn; communicate in natural language; and integrate all these skills towards common goals.
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#819So many people putting expectations up to knock down about models. Infinite reasons to critique them. Please dispense with anyone's "expectations" when critiquing things! (Expectations are not a fault or property of the object of the expectations.) Today's models (1) do things that are unprecedented. Their generality of knowledge, and ability to weave completely disparate subjects together sensibly, in real time (and…
Are they progressing quickly? Or was there a step-function leap about 2 years ago, and incremental improvements since then? I tried using AI coding assistants. My longest stint was 4 months with Copilot. It sucked. At its best, it does the same job as IntelliSense but slower. Other times it insisted on trying to autofill 25 lines of nonsense I didn't ask for. All the time I saved using Copilot was lost debugging the…
have you tried it recently? o3-mini-high is really impressive. If you ease into talking to it about your intent and outlining the possible edge and corner cases it will write nuanced rust code 1000 lines at a time no problem
Re: I genuinely don't understand why some people are still bullish about LLMs
#820Well you see, there are lots of people that are dependent on bullshitting their way through life, and don't actually contribute anything new of novel to the world. For these people, LLMs are great because they can generate more bullshit than they ever could before. For those that are actually trying to do new and interesting things, well, an LLM is only as good as what it has seen before, and you're doing something n…
Ah hah, this is what I think. LLMs are the ultimate bullshitting machines! When you need to produce some BS fast, an LLM is definitely the right tool for that job.