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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by johnnyanmac »

refurb wrote: post #464
Gigachad wrote: post #13

Governments need to start putting out travel warnings on the US. It’s becoming an increasingly dangerous place to visit.

They should put travel warnings on every country then. The woman in question tried to self-sponsor a TN visa after being denied earlier at the Canadian border. I can understand why USCBP starts to think “this woman is trying to commit fraud” not “innocent mistake”. I know most countries would detain and deport people attempting to commit immigration fraud. Not sure why people should hold the US to a higher standard t…

Not even higher standard. Just a standard would be a good start for the US.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by account42 »

dowager_dan99 wrote: post #514
ssijak wrote: post #151

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"It’s even worse in other countries." It's not. I take you are comparing to western countries. If you have a valid visa and behave even remotely normal to the border agents you will have no issues. Only in the USA some border agents have the attitude of "I'm gonna get you" or making you feel unwelcome for no reason. Hell, even in "authoritarian" countries like UAE or Quatar I never experience anything but pleasant in…

>> If you have a valid visa and behave even remotely normal to the border agents you will have no issues. This is the crux IMO: it should be an OR not an AND. Having to behave "remotely normal" where this is determined solely at the discretion of the TSA is impossible.

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by johnnyanmac »

javcasas wrote: post #418
abeppu wrote: post #201

Her point about private contractors being paid by the number of people detained is an important larger warning. Privatized systems are not magically more efficient; they can just as easily be the driver of the bureaucratic labyrinth.

Perverse incentives. Someone didn't think about it, or maybe they did.

oh they very much did. There's still a lot of people in the country that want any excuse to practice cruelty without consequence.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by account42 »

blindriver wrote: post #307
jon_adler wrote: post #121

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AFAIK, the Australian system doesn’t operate like this for visa overstays. Your friend may be confused with asylum applications for those who arrive by boat (which isn’t often used in practice). https://www.unsw.edu.au/content/dam/pdfs/law/kaldor/factshee...

Yes they arrest them and throw them in jail but not offshore jails. I was wrong about that, I checked with my friend.

Detention for overstaying your visa is pretty reasonable. That's not something you do on accident.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by account42 »

gorbachev wrote: post #407
blindriver wrote: post #21

Yes. This is the reality of how it is. It’s unfair that this woman was caught in this but CBP have ultimate power crossing the border can be scary. My friend got her visa stripped and given a 10 year ban under Obama because of jokes in her text messages about a GC marriage. She didn’t get thrown in jail but she was refused entry back into the US and had to get someone to sell all her stuff while she flew back to her…

"It’s even worse in other countries." I imagine it would be, if you visited South Sudan. It is not "even worse" in any of the western countries. The border control people in most western countries are actually friendly. They are polite, sometimes even, gasp, smile at you.

> It is not "even worse" in any of the western countries. The border control people in most western countries are actually friendly. They are polite, sometimes even, gasp, smile at you.

That has also been my experience with the US. YMMV of course.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by account42 »

bloopernova wrote: post #292
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #251

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>because of jokes in her text messages about a [Green Card] marriage Let this be a lesson to all those who think it's fine to unlock their phone and hand it to cops.

I'm not sure what customs and border patrol would do if you refused to unlock your phone for them. I doubt they would just let you go.

ESTA applications ask for your social media accounts even before you get to border patrol. You can of course omit them but that may or may not backfire. I have only ever listed GitHub since I don't really use anything else they have in the drop down.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by 93po »

fourside wrote: post #543
kragen wrote: post #416

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Possibly because the comment section will inevitably collapse into a partisan flamewar.

This is ironic. I thought there was a big push from the right for less censorship and less moderation in social media. Now we’re flagging posts because the comment section may get heated.

this sort of comment is exactly why i flag this sort of content, to put it kindly, you're sort of missing the point and using a strawman argument

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Post by AlecSchueler »

debo_ wrote: post #663
cutemonster wrote: post #503

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I don't think 51% of the readers here need to flag something for it to get flagged - maybe more like 5% or 15%? I guess you can conclude that a few percent here likes Trump etc, but far from a majority

I think there's also a reasonable proportion of readers who want "political" topics removed from HN, even if the topic intersects with HN-relevant topics. (I'm not one of them, but I believe many are. I appreciate where they are coming from.)

This would be more easily believed if political posts unrelated to contemporary American politics were also being flagged, but they're not.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by account42 »

tpm wrote: post #323
twUewhag wrote: post #192

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The charges are that they facilitated trafficking by rescuing people that didn't need rescuing: https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/30/these-people-face-20-yea... Ironically somewhat corroborated by the photo in the article. What is the solution for Italy and Greece with these massive coast lines and islands? The refugees deliberately lose their passports. If the rescuers dumped them in a random North African country, e…

> What is the solution for Italy and Greece with these massive coast lines and islands? The solution is to once again enable applying for asylum at the embassies and consulates. Then nobody has to drown. > If the rescuers dumped them in a random North African country, everything would be fine. Apart from the many people being killed by random North African country, like what is happening currently with migrants in Li…

> The solution is to once again enable applying for asylum at the embassies and consulates. Then nobody has to drown.

So you think if those countries don't accept everyone that wants to enter then it's ok for people to try to enter illegally? That's not how borders work.

> Apart from the many people being killed by random North African country, like what is happening currently with migrants in Libya. That's not fine at all.

They can go to a neighboring country without being "stranded" at sea where they need "rescuing".

> Humanitarian reasons, not ideological.

Humanitarian reasons do not require you to pick up people near the coast of Africa and and instead of taking them back back to where they came from bring them to ports much further away. That's purely ideological. One could even call it treasonous.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by account42 »

rangestransform wrote: post #661
jajko wrote: post #85

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Smart immigrants shouldn't migrate to US anymore, period. Not if you have more than just very short-sighted dollar signs on your eyes. Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. This is how institutionalized xenophobia looks like. The fact is, I've read very similar articles about how US treats any non-US citizens a decade or two ago. Nothing changed dramatically, people just bring these…

> Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. My home country and the EU treat me even worse because of the lack of 200k+ USD jobs for my experience level

That's a real first world problem. Most of the world, including most people in western countries don't earn that much.
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