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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by wyclif »

userbinator wrote: post #151

The other WTF is here: Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that…

Dillo is only sporadically developed. They even lost control of the dillo.org domain a long time ago, which pretty much spells amateur hour.

Ladybird would be a better choice, but it's not even fully baked yet. Coming sometime in 2026, supposedly.

I'd recommend the Brave browser for people concerned about recent bad news from Mozilla.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by AyyEye »

casenmgreen wrote: post #736

I note LibreWolf is built from FF sources. Zen also. Are they specifically removing the telemetry stuff Moz are going to use to collect user data?

https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/

Librewolf has less spyware than waterfox.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by karaterobot »

When I was a contractor, I worked on a project with this well-intended guy who wanted to make an app for people to store a persistent map of their movement over time using the GPS. On day one, he made it very clear—and I believed him—that a user's private data was sacrosanct. As the project wore on, never finding traction, and costing more and more money, I remember one of the last meetings I attended with him. He was trying to find new sources of revenue to keep the company alive, and he uttered the inevitable phrase: "well, we've got all this user data we could sell." That was one of those moments when you get a little more cynical, and since then I access as an axiom that every company will sell my data eventually, regardless of their promises. It's just a question of limiting their access to it, and being willing to switch to an alternative every once in a while.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by flir »

stateoff wrote: post #571
flir wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't read the article. All I know is, Firefox changed their TOS. > That clearly indicates some "other" future motive It's training data, isn't it? (It's always training data).

I was referring to Mozilla's past investment into advertising: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-anonym-raising-t... To me that and the new ToS add up, why else would they remove the FAQ entry.

Totally fair, tbh. Stealing data for that purpose has already been normalized, so it's a much easier sell.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by Lio »

simpaticoder wrote: post #694
MrAlex94 wrote: post #450

I might have differed with Brendan Eich on a few matters, but he was a good steward of Firefox in my book. When Mitchell Baker took the reins, Mozilla became rather more heavy-handed towards us - the irony being that Waterfox was once proudly displayed on the Mozilla website under their "Powered By" banner. I appreciate the constant existential wobble Firefox faces, but they've made some peculiar decisions as of late…

>it seems daft to me when others suggest using forks with no well-established governance of their own Yes, it may be that we are jumping from the frying pan into the fire. On the bright-side this opens up an opportunity for a company, or a suite of companies, to fund an alternative browser. Such an entity might have Signal at its lead, or similar, who's mission is solely to "tighten up" the software stack on which it…

That sounds very much like Ladybird's mission.

Truly independent

No code from other browsers. We're building a new engine, based on web standards.

Singular focus

We are focused on one thing: the web browser.

No monetization

No "default search deals", crypto tokens, or other forms of user monetization, ever.

https://ladybird.org/

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by tigroferoce »

traverseda wrote: post #729
bloopernova wrote: post #703

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi's Orion browser has a lifetime sponsor price of $150. That plus the Kagi subscription support its development. It's currently macOS and iPad/iPhone only, but a Linux version is being worked on. I don't know their plans for a Windows version.

Which is great, but I'm not going to buy it until it's fully open source: https://orionfeedback.org/d/3882-open-source-the-browser/34

On one hand I agree, on the other hand, their claim that they are too small to support a large community of developers is not wrong.

Also, they claim "zero telemetry", so I don't really know what's going on, I know it's not leaving my computer.

I find that currently even if it's far from perfection, Orion is the lesser evil in the browser scenario.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by sjs382 »

gfkclzhzo wrote: post #753

Lately I've been working on strategies to use software in unusual enough ways that I'm essentially off the radar of, well, anyone looking. The dark forest approach to the internet. To avoid interacting with the web directly, I'm thinking of running some AI software in a container on a home server that would be a translation layer between me and the real web. All webpages would be converted to a simple, and secure, fo…

The more unique your habits, the easier to fingerprint. That said, with those habits, you may be a less attractive audience.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by KoolKat23 »

immibis wrote: post #625
dizhn wrote: post #583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That bit pretty much sounds like "by using the software you're agreeing to whatever"

No it doesn't. Most businesses finish that sentence with "...for any purpose" not "... to help you navigate the web" It will still be interpreted to mean "...for any purpose" by Mozilla somehow.

"...interact with online content" is pretty much all encompassing.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by ragnese »

Grimblewald wrote: post #587
caturopath wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Mozilla VPN is a Mozilla service? It's pretty odd if you aren't allowed to use their VPN to watch or share porn - send unsolicited communications (for example cold emailing an employer about a job) - Deceive or mislead (for example inviting your brother over for a surprise party under false pretenses) - Purchase legal controlled products (for example sending the pharmacy a refill for your Xanax) - Collect ema…

look, i'd have similar clauses if I ran such a service. Porn gets very messy very quickly. Revenge porn, porn of generally unconsenting parties etc. are all to common and people who share know it is wrong and so try to use things like vpns to hide. The problem for you as a vpn provider is proving they're doing the wrong thing with your service, so it is much easier to simply say there is a blanket ban and then select…

Do hammer manufacturers required you to sign an agreement at the hardware store with a bunch of legalese so they aren't held liable if you use the hammer to beat someone to death?

Do alcohol companies get shut down when people drink and kill someone with their car?

Did you know that a nonzero percentage of child molesters wear Nike sneakers when they kidnap children? Why doesn't Nike actively try to prevent this?!

So why should a VPN provider need to explicitly dissuade its customers from breaking the law with their service? Why should a web browser be afraid of being on the hook when someone breaks the law via the web?

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