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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by dang »

XorNot wrote: post #271
conradfr wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every competitors were done when Claude 3.5 was released, every competitors were done when o1 was released, the entire West was done when DeepSeek was released, the world was done when Mistral Le Chat was released, I guess now it's time for the solar system to be done because of Grok3. Let's see what new model dominates the galaxy next week.

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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by nmca »

xnx wrote: post #669

A very impressive debut. No doubt they benefited from all the research and discoveries that have preceded it. Maybe the best outcome of a competitive Grok is breaking the mindshare stranglehold that ChatGPT has on the public at large and with HN. There are many good frontier models that are all very close in capabilities.

This is grok 3, so not a debut

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by colechristensen »

numpad0 wrote: post #446
sigmoid10 wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The impression seems to be warranted: Grok 3 has directly jumpted to the top of all leaderboard categories in Chatbot Arena: https://lmarena.ai/?leaderboard In math it shares the top spot with o1 and is just a few points behind (well within errors). In creative writing it is basically ex-aequo with the latest ChatGPT 4o and in coding it's actually significantly ahead of everyone else and represents a new SOTA.

Considering that OpenAI subscription is $200 per month, and "Premium Plus" subscription that includes this thing is only $40 per month, does that mean instantaneous "Elon factor" is now at least -$160 per month per user, or is it supposed to be added up to more than -$240 per month? How would the math change after factoring in that OpenAI isn't even covering entirety of opex with the sub anyway, and/or people finding…

>Considering that OpenAI subscription is $200 per month

This plan is 75 days old. I didn't know it existed until last week.

OpenAI is starting to try to get a little more realistic revenue in, Grok is acquiring customers.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by qwerpy »

ccorcos wrote: post #762

The politics in the comments here are really toxic. What’s happening to HN? This is the largest computer cluster the world has ever seen. Can someone please post interesting comments about things I can learn?

It was initially pretty bad. The top few comment threads were toxic and rehashed outrage. It’s a lot cleaner now. Thanks to the moderators and/or users flagging the non-productive comments.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by ggreer »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #765
jiggawatts wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They may not need direct subscription revenue to recoup their investment. A variant of multi-modal LLMs may be the solution to self-driving cars, home robotics, and more. I keep saying that to be a really effective driver, an AI model will need a theory of mind, which the larger LLMs appear to have. Similarly, any such model will need to be able to do OCR and read arbitrary street signs, and understand what the sign…

You're not going to run a SOTA LLM of this size off batteries (robotics), even in a car where the alternator is charging them, nor can you afford to rely on a high-speed internet connection being available 100% in a life or death (FSD) application. I don't have so much faith in the future of current-architecure LLMs, but I do think that AGI will be needed for safe FSD and general-purpose robots that need to learn and…

A typical car alternator outputs 1.5-3kW of electricity, and EVs can output arbitrary amounts of power for electronics (though that will reduce range). That's more than enough to run purpose-built circuitry for a SOTA LLM. For a home robot, you could run the compute in the home instead of in the robot's body.

I don't think AGI is needed for FSD because we already have safe FSD in the form of Waymo, and competitors aren't far behind. People forget that self-driving doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to be better than human drivers. Human drivers get sleepy, drunk, angry, and/or distracted. They can't see in 360º or react in milliseconds. Most cyclists and pedestrians prefer current FSD implementations to human drivers, as the computer-driven cars are much better about yielding, giving a wide berth, and being patient.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by ccorcos »

dang wrote: post #798
ccorcos wrote: post #762

The politics in the comments here are really toxic. What’s happening to HN? This is the largest computer cluster the world has ever seen. Can someone please post interesting comments about things I can learn?

It's a reflection of the wider society and (as others have pointed out) the media environment. HN can't be immune from macro trends. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... We've been here before. It will likely subside, as past swings and fluctuations have. It always takes longer than it feels like it should, but in retrospect turns out to be shorter than it felt like it did.

haha interesting search query. thanks for your hard work dang!

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by cj »

nmca wrote: post #813
xnx wrote: post #669

A very impressive debut. No doubt they benefited from all the research and discoveries that have preceded it. Maybe the best outcome of a competitive Grok is breaking the mindshare stranglehold that ChatGPT has on the public at large and with HN. There are many good frontier models that are all very close in capabilities.

This is grok 3, so not a debut

Maybe this is Grok’s “ChatGPT moment”. Similar to how OpenAI’s debut was with GPT-3.5 (not their first version)

Debut in the sense that it’s something good enough that it’s getting mainstream attention.

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