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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by guappa »

cowboylowrez wrote: post #804
guappa wrote: post #764

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That's completely different. People criticise trump without being accused of wanting to exterminate the entire population of the USA. But if you criticise israel, that's the standard answer you get.

I think part of the problem is that so many folks think its somehow Israel's job to absorb terrorist acts without any military response. I for one won't be part of that. Gaza seems to me to be little more than an Iranian military outpost from which they can launch attacks on Israel. I don't blame folks for being tired of this, but Gaza chose this route just like we in the US chose ours. Gaza made an extremely gross a…

Ah, you only get your information from zionist propaganda. No point talking to you then :)

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Post by soulofmischief »

account42 wrote: post #810
soulofmischief wrote: post #799

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My, this narrative sounds familiar... Almost like it's been peddled in Germany before, 80 years ago.

What "narrative"?

A disillusioned and unrepresentated population being mopped up by a right-wing populist political party in Germany. This is exactly how the Nazi party took power. It's what just happened in America. It pays to know your history.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by thehumanmeat »

timacles wrote: post #638
stainablesteel wrote: post #515

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i voted for that, i voted for the destruction of the federal government because it's bankrupting us by stealing our money

You think the US is bankrupting you by stealing your money? Specifically: USAID, FAA, Government Watchdog agencies, and whatever other group that has been dismantled by now? Those are the high priority agencies stealing our hard earned money? Not the guys who all of a sudden have a 100 billion dollars since 2010?

Yes, to clarify, I do believe that.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by alt227 »

immibis wrote: post #716
alt227 wrote: post #686

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As long as criticism was 100% the reason for the ban and can be proved it wasnt related to anything else at all.

An impossibly high bar. So we just take people at their word then?

How does the justice system work in figuring out these things?

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by Gormo »

muddi900 wrote: post #797
Gormo wrote: post #362

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> Freedom of speech, at least in the US, is a concern specifically with the government censoring citizens' speech. Well, no -- you're conflating "freedom of speech" as a general concept with the first amendment as a legal principle. The first amendment is specifically the mechanism of law we use to ensure that freedom of speech is respected in our interactions with the political state. The first amendment doesn't app…

Your definitions of social norms ass backwards. Cultural norms dictate some modicum of restraint on everyone. You have no obligation to tolerate me if I call your wife a whore. Any given community has its social norms that dictate what you can and can't say. To force them to accept "unacceptable" speech would violate freedom of speech itself.

No, that's not quite correct. A lot of subcultures and echo-chamber type social contexts certainly do have extreme policing of extremely particular taboo subject matters, but in more general contexts, especially in American society, there's a strong expectation that people ought to be able to speak their mind without excessive interference, and there's usually a high bar to what constitutes subject matters taboo enough to restrict or exclude people for engaging with, along with social norms that often regard excessive policing of other people's expression as itself taboo.

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Post by 93po »

moneywoes wrote: post #809
93po wrote: post #699

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its the only social media platform that isn't image and video heavy, can consistently have non-bot and non-fake and non-clickbait material of substance (if you curate who you you follow well), provides awesome filtering options out of the box for stuff like keywords (i literally had to make a browser extension to filter reddit crap out better), and has a lot of interesting people posting entertaining non-image stuff…

mind sharing your feed?

i dont want to tie identities, basically just go follow actual researchers at frontier AI labs and close to nothing else and it'll be a close approximation

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by cowboylowrez »

guappa wrote: post #811
cowboylowrez wrote: post #804

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I think part of the problem is that so many folks think its somehow Israel's job to absorb terrorist acts without any military response. I for one won't be part of that. Gaza seems to me to be little more than an Iranian military outpost from which they can launch attacks on Israel. I don't blame folks for being tired of this, but Gaza chose this route just like we in the US chose ours. Gaza made an extremely gross a…

Ah, you only get your information from zionist propaganda. No point talking to you then :)

>Ah, you only get your information from zionist propaganda.

I wouldn't agree with that, what I try to do is to gather the news the best I can, try to include the historical context and then try to reason about where the conflict exists. My intent with this process requires that by necessity I DO try to see the other side(s), because conflicts often arise from incompatible worldviews, so what are these worldviews?

Often with these long standing beefs, there is a chain of hostile actions met by more hostile actions by opposing sides or interests. I think the reason that the october 7 action is now forgotten was that it was sudden and ended pretty quickly for obvious reasons.

Is the destruction in Gaza disproportionate in nature, well it clearly looks that way, but on the other hand if I shoplift a candy bar and get arrested, the consequences are not comparable in magnitude to the price of the candy bar, heck its often hundreds of times more severe :)

>No point talking to you then :)

Its fine if you don't like to discuss things like this, I understand the frustration. Drilling down into these subjects seems suspiciously close to work and I know many of us just post here for fun. I do it to cultivate a "slander free" posting style and avoid things like assuming what sources of information others exclusively subscribe to.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by muddi900 »

Gormo wrote: post #815
muddi900 wrote: post #797

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Your definitions of social norms ass backwards. Cultural norms dictate some modicum of restraint on everyone. You have no obligation to tolerate me if I call your wife a whore. Any given community has its social norms that dictate what you can and can't say. To force them to accept "unacceptable" speech would violate freedom of speech itself.

No, that's not quite correct. A lot of subcultures and echo-chamber type social contexts certainly do have extreme policing of extremely particular taboo subject matters, but in more general contexts, especially in American society, there's a strong expectation that people ought to be able to speak their mind without excessive interference, and there's usually a high bar to what constitutes subject matters taboo enou…

No there isn't. You can't, rightfully, campaign to make rape legal for a day without your life being ruined through ostracization. I wouldn't want to be associated with such a person. And that is in public.

In private you have severe restrictions on speech and expressions. Workplaces, stores, and schools have codes of conduct, dress codes, etc. to restrict expression.

What you call "extremely taboo subjects" is relative, based on your own biases and beliefs. "Woman should be more active in public life" is not an "extreme" view, even in more conservative sections of society. But in Ultra-orthodox jewish communities, or isolationist muslim communities, or even many christian sects, this would be controversial statement.

If a member faces social consequences for these statements, it is not a violation of their right to free speech. Nobody is obligated to tolerate you, no matter how in the right you may be. You can't force society to be on your side.

You might say, "But these social norms are repressive and harmful." Well then change them through activism. Stop whining about "free speech violations". That is, again, ass backwards.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by 1oooqooq »

JansjoFromIkea wrote: post #297
1oooqooq wrote: post #263

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up/down vote is the laziest form of moderation. you get what you pay for.

Discussion mediums just don't seem to scale very well at all. Feels like we've arrived at a point where it's either this or walls of text where you spend more time trying to figure out what a post is replying to than you'd need to keep up with the new messages coming in (i.e. loads of discords) I remember as a teen how much of a pain it was to find a good forum. Too few users and it'd feel like a graveyard, not worth…

slash dot solved news comment moderation decades ago. open sourced it. nobody cares.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by alt227 »

ilikecakeandpie wrote: post #692
alt227 wrote: post #465

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> In practice, the law not taking this seriously is how a lot of women in abusive relationships die Yes agreed, and its also the reason we have an innocent until proven guilty justice system. Things can be said in anger, and not really meant. In fact I would wager out of all the death threats made in the entire world, the vast majority are said in anger and not meant to be followed through on. This is why we dont loc…

> Things can be said in anger, and not really meant. In fact I would wager out of all the death threats made in the entire world, the vast majority are said in anger and not meant to be followed through on. This is why we dont lock people up for just saying things. There needs to be other motives and evidence behind it to show intent. You are incorrect, at least in California https://www.cronisraelsandstark.com/crimi…

> You are incorrect

Not quite

From your link: "the prosecutor must prove that the threats placed the victim in reasonable fear and that the fear was sustained"

You cant just be prosecuted for saying something. You always need to back it up and prove it was a real threat where harm was a real possibility or the victim was in sustained genuine fear of their life.

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