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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by zahlman »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #351
parthdesai wrote: post #298

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A liberal protesting organization would have used bicycles and would thus have been legal.

No, they would have been mainly on foot. I know this because it's actually happened, repeatedly, with BLM, in both Canada and the US. One random Canadian example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/black-lives-matter-pr...

Blocking traffic is still blocking traffic, though. In Canada, the "notwithstanding clause" essentially means no rights are absolute. Intentionally blocking traffic on highways here is generally illegal, insofar as people have a lawful right to drive there normally; see e.g. https://mtplaw.com/legal-news/arrests-for-blocking-a-highway... - and generally there will be clear evidence that such blockages are intentional.

Also relevant: https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/can-protesters-be-charged-for-bl... ; https://ccla.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Know-Your-Rights... (PDF from the Canadian Civil Liberties Association).

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dredmorbius »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #659
dang wrote: post #645

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Your account has been breaking the site guidelines badly in this thread. Would you please stop? Regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are, It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. We've had to ask you this before not long ago, so it would be good if you would review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and please fix this.

dang, it would help if you would clarify which guideline I'm violating. I see a lot of deep flame bait in this thread. A lot of it by people of another country, making claims about my own for partisan and ideological purposes. Context here is important given news in recent weeks, with Trudeau's name on the lips of people like Trump, Musk, etc. I have a "karma" of almost 20,000 and have been on hackernews for a very l…

If I could venture, it's general tone (verging on polemical), and this specific swipe: "and you think we're somehow an anomaly".

You might also want to review your flagged comments on thread.

Among those, predicting downvotes and characterising the HN readership and/or opposition specifically goes against guidelines.

You can review previous interactions with dang here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/replies?id=cmrdporcupine&by=dan...>

(There's an admonishment or two in there, take them seriously.)

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by blowsand »

a-priori wrote: post #295
catgary wrote: post #93

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I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

I was a resident of downtown Ottawa during this period. It was bad. We had a young kid and didn't feel even safe walking her to a park, because the route crossed over convoy lines and there were all sorts of stories of harassment and assaults. We didn't even experience the worst of it; lots of people dealt with truck horns blaring 24/7, but at least our street at least was kept clear as an emergency route. We put up…

Not sure which town got the prominent coverage, but here in America a lot of the coverage we saw looked like a peaceful presence, organized to allow emergency passage, and frequently we saw what looked like a fair - lots of families strolling through, eating food, adults and kids dancing, buying random things from vendors. We saw interviews with drivers who told their stories and said they were there to peacefully protest, as was their right. It’s one of the reasons, I think, that the actions by Trudeau seemed so disproportionate.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by Tiktaalik »

AlexandrB wrote: post #458
Tiktaalik wrote: post #285

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lol this incredible hyperbole begs for explanation. The two main fumbles I can see of note are on housing and immigration. On immigration the government only made remarkable changes in the last two years, and as if they touched a hot stove, they already realized their mistake and have already scaled back immigration numbers so much that Canada will effectively have nil immigration for the near future. Not likely a ge…

> On immigration the government only made remarkable changes in the last two years, and as if they touched a hot stove, they already realized their mistake and have already scaled back immigration numbers so much that Canada will effectively have nil immigration for the near future. From government of Canada[1]: > reducing from 500,000 permanent residents to 395,000 in 2025 > reducing from 500,000 permanent residents…

ah yeah I see where I confused myself. From the links you posted, immigration still exists, but the numbers will be so low that population growth is nil. In fact the document asserts that Canada will see a decrease in population. Unless "marginal" population is some specific variant of phrase that means something beyond the ~41M population number?

> The 2025–2027 Immigration Levels Plan is expected to result in a marginal population decline of 0.2% in both 2025 and 2026, before returning to a population growth of 0.8% in 2027.

The more relevant thing beyond the permanent resident numbers is the temporary numbers which are also being severely cut. Often a PR is someone who has already been in the country for quite some time whereas a temporary resident would be a new immigrant.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by zahlman »

freedomben wrote: post #340
mlekoszek wrote: post #188

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Can you explain what these illegal orders were, within the purview of Sloly's role as police chief? Also, who is the second Ottawa police chief you're talking about? For that matter, who is the third one? Furthermore, on what grounds are you claiming that Sloly resigned over illegal orders, when most sources agree it was over failure to perform?

> Furthermore, on what grounds are you claiming that Sloly resigned over illegal orders, when most sources agree it was over failure to perform? I don't know enough about the situation to have an opinion about much of this, but at least on this one I don't think you need grounds to disbelieve stated reasons for resignation. I've personally witnessed many people resigning and giving reasons like "to focus on my family…

>but at least on this one I don't think you need grounds to disbelieve stated reasons for resignation.

I don't even see a contradiction in the first place. Of course someone who perceives received orders as illegal, and feels strongly enough about it to consider resigning, would "fail to perform" those orders.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by [deleted] »

betaby wrote: post #761
avgDev wrote: post #384

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I feel like this site has a bit of a bias when it comes to the USA. Most devs are highly compensated in the USA and can afford whatever. Being poor or sick sucks here.

> Being poor or sick sucks here. Can't say for the rest of Canada, but the healthcare is deplorable in Québec.

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by ethbr1 »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #715
Manuel_D wrote: post #698

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You're over an order of magnitude off. Over 200 people were debunked. A donation of just $20 could result in someone being debanked: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/even-small-donation-t...

The show of power - that even a democratic government will target your families - is far worse than the relatively small number of people it hit.

Not around in the 00s when the US federal government leaned on banks and payment processors as a way of debanking pornography businesses?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by fknorangesite »

pigeons wrote: post #768
avgDev wrote: post #390

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My toddler had active shooter drills in day care.....I sometimes think about leaving US.

We have that in canada. And non-drill stabbings at my kindergarteners school

> We have that in canada

That's certainly not the norm. Where, more specifically?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by joemazerino »

a-priori wrote: post #295
catgary wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

I was a resident of downtown Ottawa during this period. It was bad. We had a young kid and didn't feel even safe walking her to a park, because the route crossed over convoy lines and there were all sorts of stories of harassment and assaults. We didn't even experience the worst of it; lots of people dealt with truck horns blaring 24/7, but at least our street at least was kept clear as an emergency route. We put up…

Stories of harassment and assaults? Provide one source for any assault.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

diggan wrote: post #586
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

> I'm not on the pulse of Canadian politics > I don't really know what sins or political circumstances have led Trudeau to this point > Personally, I'm glad to see him gone Why do people do this? You don't keep up with Canadian politics and you don't know what led Trudeau to this point, yet you're glad he's gone? Is it not OK anymore to just not have opinions either way, and people have to take a stance on everything…

I have to say, as a Canadian, I kind of miss it when nobody outside of here cared what happened up here?

Now it's all "You should be a 51st state" and "Oh your Trudeau is a COMMUNIST and needs to GO!"

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