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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by brailsafe »

deepsun wrote: post #607
brailsafe wrote: post #373

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That may be true, but money is still expensive, lead times are absurd, and we have a small number of companies who probably make most of their money jsut by owning the land regardless of whether it's developed or not. Likewise, even if you're making very good money in one of a scarce few highly specialized or senior positions, you'll need to be doing so for an extended period of time, and probably make much more than…

Agree, but that is a problem created by locals, not immigrants. Why do they blame immigrants?

It's not so much that we're blaming immigrants, anyone doing so isn't appreciating that something like the situation we're in is the result of multifaceted fuckery; an economic failure at some scale. Many types and waves of immigrants are involved—most recent ones being thrown under the bus unfortunately—but generally Canadians accept immigrants more than not, it's just that the rate was intentionally increased haphazardly to such a degree on top of an already abysmal outlook for anyone who wouldn't stand to profit off of increased population.

If you had a big house in Vancouver, if you are a developer, if you are a certain type of business owner, you were riding high. If you're anyone else, your resume is now one among a thousand for almost any low-med skilled position, and the most viable cities were already! sitting at a ~1% vacancy, which is a real life pressing problem. Immigration numbers are a part of this, but not remotely close to the whole picture.

In some cases the biggest development companies are also foreign and have been extremely present in shaping things https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/expo-86-chin...

For better and worse.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by protocolture »

pcchristie wrote: post #788
protocolture wrote: post #464

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In Australia up to 70% of the cost of a home is dictated by zoning and land release issues. 70%. Thats not "Something else" thats "The majority of the issue" Immigration is already controlled here so that its roughly just backfill for population growth targets. State governments are supposed to release enough land to meet population growth targets. They have never met these land release targets. So "Immigration" is a…

Immigration may be "controlled" in the sense that there's rules around it, but it's at record highs (Net Overseas Migration). This is a huge driver of housing prices. No sane person is focusing on it as the "entire" issue, but it's one of the largest drivers, and it's not racist to notice that. To decry it as racist out of hand is precisely the problem.

Its at record highs because its backfilling a population growth target that had more space.

Its not a "Huge" driver of housing prices, its a rounding error off the back of the fact that the states refuse to meet land release targets. Targets they signed up to. And its completely irrelevant to zoning issues.

Minimizing the actual issue in favor of reacting to race, man there's a term for that.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by protocolture »

bombcar wrote: post #491
protocolture wrote: post #455

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Our problem is that state governments have never reached their population growth based land release targets. And zoning laws are fairly ridiculous. One study found that something like 70% of the cost of owning a home in Sydney comes from zoning and land release issues. That is, a bit of reform in zoning laws and a heap of land being released could see a 1 million dollar home being available for 300k. That said, so mu…

That’s just supply and demand in another way, you could also argue the number of houses is fine you just need fewer people. In either case you’re saying “make the number of houses correct for the number of inhabitants” - of course an obvious answer is “build more houses” but that can’t always work - San Francisco can’t remain SF at the density of Singapore. It’d still exist, but it wouldn’t be what it was.

You have a system designed around 2% growth.

You dont release enough housing to support 2% growth. (You also have zoning restrictions pushing the majority of housing prices)

It doesnt matter where they get the growth from, it could be baby bonuses, immigration, kidnapping migrant workers.

>San Francisco can’t remain SF at the density of Singapore. It’d still exist, but it wouldn’t be what it was.

I couldnt give 2 shits about some appeal to locale identity.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by fragmede »

bombcar wrote: post #491
protocolture wrote: post #455

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Our problem is that state governments have never reached their population growth based land release targets. And zoning laws are fairly ridiculous. One study found that something like 70% of the cost of owning a home in Sydney comes from zoning and land release issues. That is, a bit of reform in zoning laws and a heap of land being released could see a 1 million dollar home being available for 300k. That said, so mu…

That’s just supply and demand in another way, you could also argue the number of houses is fine you just need fewer people. In either case you’re saying “make the number of houses correct for the number of inhabitants” - of course an obvious answer is “build more houses” but that can’t always work - San Francisco can’t remain SF at the density of Singapore. It’d still exist, but it wouldn’t be what it was.

It's already "not what it was" before Covid and that was just under five years ago.

> No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man.

-Heraclitus

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

nemo44x wrote: post #341
xen2xen1 wrote: post #243

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I've had the same complaint about DEI stuff in the US. Diversity is wonderful, but you also need people to integrate. The US used to be called the great melting pot, now we don't expect people to melt. No wonder we have so many problems. People used to be expected to integrate, that don't now, people should rightly be pissed.

> Diversity is wonderful Why? You literally say on your very next sentence that it’s not - that diversity must be destroyed through integration and a melting pot. Diversity and immigration always has a cost and that’s the destruction of your existing culture in part. Sometimes that tradeoff is worth it. But you can’t overdo it. And getting pissed at the people that don’t integrate is barking up the wrong tree. They n…

Your comment boils down to "don't hate to player, hate the game" and I hate to agree.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

bad_haircut72 wrote: post #364
nemo44x wrote: post #341

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> Diversity is wonderful Why? You literally say on your very next sentence that it’s not - that diversity must be destroyed through integration and a melting pot. Diversity and immigration always has a cost and that’s the destruction of your existing culture in part. Sometimes that tradeoff is worth it. But you can’t overdo it. And getting pissed at the people that don’t integrate is barking up the wrong tree. They n…

Mix copper and tin to make bronze, thats what people mean when they say diversity is good. They dont mean they want a sludge of different unmixed metals.

Too bad, you're getting a shitton of copper.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

foxglacier wrote: post #375
Neonlicht wrote: post #312

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Yes this is where I split from my fellow leftists. I will not allow a parallel society to exist. The daughters of Indian parents will be granted the same rights as those of Western parents. There will be no dowries and no caste system.

I'm pretty sure typical leftists don't want castes and dowries. They might seem to want them by saying "let people practice their own culture" but that's just because they haven't specifically thought about those practices.

"they haven't specifically thought about those practices."

Kind of the whole issue, isn't it?

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by 3vidence »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #798
3vidence wrote: post #791

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Again I think you might need to educate yourself on Canadian history. The French that founded Quebec where here predated the English that eventually founded the county of Upper / Lower Canada... You might have a misunderstanding of what the term immigrant means.

No, I understand perfectly. The difference between your definition and mine is that your definition of immigrant is “anyone who is not white”.

I'm not even sure how to respond to this...

It is so ignorant of the definition I don't even know how to find common ground.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by screye »

whatevertrevor wrote: post #630
screye wrote: post #347

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I think you're extrapolating further than I intended. I used the phrases 'low-skill-low-virtue underclass', 'slice' &'subgroup' for reasons of being precise, not as dog-whistles. 'Subgroup and slice' because Canada definitely imports some elite human capital from India. Those numbers haven't changed over the last decade. It's the 2nd type of immigration that's exploded and is worth talking about. As for your implicat…

If you have references or sources I'd love to go through them. I'm an Indian who has lived in Canada for a decade now, and I haven't seen or heard much about Indian immigration specifically for joining gangs or anything like that. If anything there's more evidence that Canada's immigration crisis is a result of ridiculous barriers for high skilled workers if they don't have a degree from a North American university.…

There is a wikipedia article on it [1]

Canada tries to hide it in official statistics, but it still peeks through. Despite being a model minority in every other nation, ethnic-Indians have the 2nd highest crime rate by race in Canada[2]. Gang violence is primarily intra-race, and the over-representation of ethnic-Indian in homicide victims points its prevalence [3].

Canada's Indo-Canadian crime are limited to ethnic-neighborhoods and townships. Irishmen & italians on the west-coast would have been blissfully unaware of their respective mafias on the east coast. Similarly, unless you live in these neighborhoods, you won't notice it one bit.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Canadian_organized_crime

[2] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=351002...

[3] https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=351002...

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by whatevertrevor »

screye wrote: post #819
whatevertrevor wrote: post #630

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have references or sources I'd love to go through them. I'm an Indian who has lived in Canada for a decade now, and I haven't seen or heard much about Indian immigration specifically for joining gangs or anything like that. If anything there's more evidence that Canada's immigration crisis is a result of ridiculous barriers for high skilled workers if they don't have a degree from a North American university.…

There is a wikipedia article on it [1] Canada tries to hide it in official statistics, but it still peeks through. Despite being a model minority in every other nation, ethnic-Indians have the 2nd highest crime rate by race in Canada[2]. Gang violence is primarily intra-race, and the over-representation of ethnic-Indian in homicide victims points its prevalence [3]. Canada's Indo-Canadian crime are limited to ethnic-…

Thank you for following up, will take a look through those.
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