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What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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>media really over-estimated this persons competence It is a bit of psychological blindness where we convince ourselves that random murders aren't as easy as they really are. The truth is that almost anyone -- including people with lots of security theater -- can be nullified by random people. This is quadruply true in the era of drones.

We came within a literal inch of witnessing the assassination of a presidential candidate earlier this year, by a kid with no particular skills and an easily obtained rifle. We are lucky that people are mostly nonviolent.

Twice, even!

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Murder is only justified when it's your business model and behind numbers and profit margins in an Excel sheet are the real people you are sentencing to a lifetime of suffering and/or death.

How far does this carry? Is the charge of the insurance company to keep you alive at all costs?

Given insurance companies are not a necessary component of a functioning healthcare system why do we normalize debates around what level of resource extraction constitutes murder on their part?

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A couple of theories: - person clearly had meticulously planned the execution of the hit and exfiltration. Even leaving red herrings on his way out of the city (backpack full of Monopoly money). Yet clumsily keeps _all_ of the evidence that would implicate himself in this murder. Not to mention he is wandering about in public while a multi-state manhunt is underway with the full weight of alphabet soup agencies, and…

> Probably fail to do so, then eventually get convicted on all charges and end up in a supermax penitentiary for life. Where he will finally get decent health care for free.

Decent health care? In prison? Are you serious?

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I'm weirdly not too surprised due to this belief I have that software developers would make effective criminals. A lot of this boils down to a belief I have that not getting caught in the first place is easy. Murders have something like a 50% solve rate and you can decrease your chances of getting caught with a little knowledge on how to evade common forensic techniques along with some planning. Those who get caught…

I think that, more generally, intelligent people don't get arrested for crimes for several reasons. First, because they are smarter, they just don't get themselves into jams where murdering someone seems like the best way to get out of the jam. Second, because they are more successful they have more to lose in terms of wealth, happiness, good living situation, so they risk more when choosing crime, so they're less likely to choose it. Only thirdly is actual proficiency in the planning and execution of the crime.

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This statement is so far outside of the bounds of reality it's laughable. What about those people that are using United Health Care and getting the support they need? They account for nothing?

Ahaha, yeah, right? It's just ridiculous. What a laughable debate, this whole insurance thing is. It's just the free market working to optimize outcomes. By the way, can you help me understand what a 'pre-existing condition' is? Literally nobody outside of America has experience with this term.

Most health insurance in most of the world has the concept of "pre-existing conditions".

How could it be otherwise? Insurance was invented to hedge risk. In the case of healthcare, if you literally already have a condition that has known and ongoing costs associated with it, it doesn't make any sense for an insurance company to insure you against that risk – the risk has already manifested.

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Blows my mind that no ones suggesting mental illness in their analysis. Especially given that he's cut off contact from his family...

He seems pretty rational.

If you start from premises that are disconnected from reality, you can use perfect rationality to reach insane conclusions.

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Murder is only justified when it's your business model and behind numbers and profit margins in an Excel sheet are the real people you are sentencing to a lifetime of suffering and/or death.

Refusing to pay for medical care is hardly murder. It’s a standard monetary dispute, and we have a due process for these. If you think that so many claims are being unreasonably denied, why not start a company offering bridge loans, and funding legal challenges? Maybe the courts are too inefficient to handle these disputes, but that’s an argument for reforming the courts, not for shooting executives.

Can't wait to use the phrase "standard monetary dispute" the next time a collections agent threatens a family member with jail. That will show them.

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Usually I don't tend to get caught up in stories like this. But one thing has me completely fascinated, is how far off the deep end the internet went over the last few days. A murderer became a cult hero online. I saw many posts even suggesting "the snitch" should be hunted down and get what's coming to him/her. I try not to overreact to stuff online, but this took me a bit by surprise. Things really feel like a melt…

> melting pot Did you mean tipping point?

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This statement is so far outside of the bounds of reality it's laughable. What about those people that are using United Health Care and getting the support they need? They account for nothing?

UHC has one of the highest rates of claim denials. Sure, there are some people getting the support they need but there are a lot of people who are not. What justification is there for that? The only justification is "profit", and that is not something that should ever be involved in healthcare.

Health insurance companies are also legally bound by payout ratios. Having a higher denial rate doesn't mean they're paying out less money than other companies.

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Only the CEO or everyone that works there?

How many people in the claims adjudication call center are making ~5 times the median American male's lifetime earnings each year, every year?

What's the income threshold for people who are eligible for murder? Surely the whole board and the C-Suite. Senior VPs? VPs?
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