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Trump wins presidency for second time
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#812I was told Charli XCX, Chappell Roan, and Ethel Cain would deliver this for the Dems months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41020940 and that Musk's actions wouldn't matter. More recently Joe Rogan
Chappell Roan and Ethel Cain didn't endorse Harris due to Palestine
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#813Trump is a fuck-you vote from the economic losers of globalisation. They know he won't do anything for them, but they also know the other side won't either. All the pearl clutching about trumps characteristics from inner-city relativists fell on deaf ears because it rang hollow.
A women of the luxury belief professional class from an academic family and an uninspiring bureaucratic life story was never going to be able to talk to these people and she didn't really try too either.
The specific policies don't really matter to people when they are exhausted and angry. Revenge does.
Re: Trump wins presidency for second time
#814About 20 million votes less than the 2020 election, with about 15 million less for the democrats, and a measely 4 million less for the republicans. Thought that was interesting.
The current prediction, when all votes are counted, is it to be just below the record turnout, which was 4 years ago.
It not even guaranteed that Trump will win the popular vote, it depends on how the California votes land.
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#815Parties basically switched sides this election. From 2008 to now: - Pro war party: Repubs -> Dems - Dick Cheney party: Repubs -> Dems - Elitist party: Repubs -> Dems - Working class party: Dems -> Repubs - Pro free speech party: Dems -> Repubs - Bigger spending party: Dems -> Repubs - Skeptical of large corps: Dems -> Repubs There are some issues where they haven't switched (eg. abortion)
Dems are the only ones pushing antitrust. The Republicans taking over is dominated by CEOs of large companies. How could you possibly say its Reps that are skeptical of large corps not dems. Antitrust is probably gonna die now because of this outcome
Also, thinking that Republicans aren't just as, if not more, bought by the military industry complex is just sticking your head in the sand. The GOP is more adamant about funding Israel than Dems are
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#816It's the economy, stupid: -Inflation is not prices; it is the rate of change in prices. Low inflation doesn't imply low prices. -Aggregate statistics don't necessarily explain individual outcomes. The Dems failed on this count massively, and have, for maybe the last 40 years, which is about the amount of time it took for my state to go from national bellwether (As goes Ohio, so goes the nation) to a reliably red stat…
>The Dems failed on this count massively
The Dems failed to communicate inflation is a global phenomena and that the US has faired far better at reducing inflation, unemployment and GDP growth then the rest of the developed world.
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#817Something I've been wondering lately is how big of a blind spot I have from being habitually online. Like, I'll read the news, and I'll read political discussions on HN and r/politics and r/conservative and Twitter, and I'll try to get a sense of what everyone is thinking, but unfortunately I don't think that's possible. The posters on these sites all have one thing in common: they're into politics and current events…
I live in rural Illinois. Surrounded by people west coast elites would consider "simple". They aren't voting for a candidate because he's tall and confident.
They have 401ks. Own small businesses. Have Mortgages. Send their kids to public schools. Budget for their families. Hell, even farmers are trading commodities and are very familiar with the markets. There are so many legitimate factors that go into who they vote for.
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#818As an American who grew from nothing, served in the military, and expanded in my career - I find the concerns for Democracy comical. Most of you do not understand the type of people that built and fought for democracy. There is no real fear amongst these same type of people in modern America.
"Average Joe" thinks he knows more political science than people who went to school. Inadvertently demonstrates why it's so easy to manipulate the public into voting against their own self interests while convincing them they're somehow smarter than the "elites", who are really just educated people trying to save them.
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#819Reading through the post is quite depressing. As a lifelong independent, I've never felt more vilified by the Democratic Party than at any other time. Constantly being talked down to, insulted as a white supremacist, nazi, etc. It's this "elitist" and "we know better than you" attitude that really, really puts a sour taste in my mouth. Yet, reading through these comments, it seems alive and well even after an astound…
I'm genuinely curious - can you elaborate on "constantly being talking down to? insulted as a white supremacist, nazi?" Does this happen to you in personal conversations with family members or with friends who are left? Or are you referring to broader culture in general, like the Harris' campaign, because if so, can you elaborate on the time Harris or Biden "talked down" to you?
As a sidenote I realize Biden made that garbage comment which came across to me as a misconstrued sentence that is common with Biden's speech impediment. But even if not, Trump has said a lot of terrible things about left leaning people like myself. Is your standard as equivically disdainful of Trump's comments, and if not, why not?
I guess I just find it wild you're appealing to civil discourse when the winner of this election does very little civil discourse, by his own admission.
Re: Trump wins presidency for second time
#820It's been an incredible campaign this time around. I'm a bit of a black sheep as a voter, I voted for Obama twice, I voted Hillary in 2016, Trump in 2020, Trump for the primary, and now again Trump in 2024. Having a multi-ethnic coalition behind him really sealed the deal for him IMO, as well as a coherent platform of deregulation, immigration reform, and putting American workers and businesses first.
Wish I'd bet more in the election markets and crypto, but hindsight is always 20/20 as they say.