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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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"Someday you will drive your Sony to the sony to pick up some more Sony" https://everything2.com/title/Someday+you+will+drive+your+So...

Why wait? Why drive, even? Today, you can use an Amazon smart speaker to interface (via an Amazon-produced, Amazon-cloud-hosted voice-command interface) with the Amazon web store to buy an ebook published by Amazon, for you to read on an Amazon tablet, that you bought from the same Amazon web store, that was delivered by Amazon, from an Amazon fulfillment warehouse to your front door.

And soon, that book will be written by an Amazon-owned AI

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Attacking millitatns while they are in the middle of civilians, especially when they are not doing that as part of some hostage/human shield operation, is not OK.

The existing conventions do not prohibit attacking militants while they are in the middle of civilians, even if they are not doing that as part of some hostage/human shield operation. It may be considered morally not ok, but doing so does not violate any obligation.

That's not exactly true; it would depend on how you attacked the combatants, and how much collateral damage you caused. Civilian casualties must be proportionate to the military value of the target.

Reporting is still coming in on these attacks so virtually every comment on these huge long threads could end up falsified one way or the other, but from what I can tell, it looks like these attacks will not only clear that bar, but that they'll do so in a way unprecedented in the history of modern warfare. But we'll see!

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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I assume by "many countries" you mean the US and its allies? Is that it then? Your definition of "terrorist" is whoever the West designates a terrorist? Ergo Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.

[There are a few]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_g... ) Surprisingly there are several Arab countries, including the [Gulf Cooperation Council]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Cooperation_Council ), and the UAE.

Hamas: European Union,[158][200] Argentina,[201][202] Australia,[17] Canada,[8] Israel,[203] Japan,[81][18] New Zealand,[162] Paraguay,[84] United Kingdom,[204] United States,[16] Organization of American States[205]

Yep, all western countries/entities, as expected.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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X-Ray image compared to known X-Ray of the exact same model Bomb sniffing dog or chemical test of surfaces

Allegedly hidden well enough that a casual X-ray of the pager wouldn't have revealed it.

how the hell is anyone going to be able to fly anymore?

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But by definition the founders of the USA were terrorists. And they knew it too, viz. Benjamin Franklin's famous line 'Gentlemen, we must all hang together or we shall most assuredly hang separately.' Preemptively invalidating all non-state actors is just a way for people with power to avoid challenges to it. Every single oppressive regime describes rebels as terrorists and employs circular arguments to assert its ow…

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Who says "kill the infidels"?

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

It would be terrorism if they celebrated the civilian casualties and wished there were more. If they could have executed this without a single civilian injury they definitely would have. I guess intent is what makes it terrorism vs war in my mind.

> If they could have executed this without a single civilian injury they definitely would have.

Why do you think that?

Look at what the leadership of the Israel government is saying when they aren't placating western audiences / media outlets:

Cabinet Member May Golan: "Proud of the ruins of Gaza" ( https://www.palestinechronicle.com/i-am-proud-of-the-ruins-o... )

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich: Starving 2 million Gazans to death is right and moral but the world won't let us ( https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-05/ty-article/is... )

Minister of National Security Ben Gvir: We should tear down the Al-Aqsa Mosque and build a synagogue in its place ( https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240826-israel-minist... )

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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> Of course, this isn't what the LA Times actually reported This is a good point. The LA Times does not report incidents involving ambulances other than in the first half of the sentence that you quoted: >They are not usually used by fighters, but by ambulance and civil defense crews and administrators affiliated with Hezbollah. And the report of a video of an ambulance exploding > Video from a funeral ceremony in th…

So someone extrapolated one video to making an “usually” argument? Without a source or data this is poor journalism

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

My opinion - it is fully intended to invoke terror and destabilise the target community. Thus it is a terrorist act whether or not it falls under the rules of engagement of the perpetrator.

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Terrorism targets civilian populations. This operation, as described, targets Hezbollah militants. That feels like an oversimplification to me. Some of those devices have surely injured civilians. I think the question is how many. Broadly it's the same question that's plagued Israel's actions since last October: there will always be civilian casualties as a result of military action, but how many is too many?

If a bomb blew up next to me in a grocery store, even if I wasn't injured, I'd consider myself "targeted" and that the people who exploded it were my enemy. Imagine that actually happening while you were at Safeway.

You were by definition not targeted. You are collateral damage.
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