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Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by defrost »

prmoustache wrote: post #380
defrost wrote: post #215

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> So there is a good chance you can still have a career alongside it or switch from OF to a non sex related career easily. I have no comment on the morals and ethics but as far as modern technology goes; most if not all of OnlyFans finds its way to darkweb | pirate | hoarder megasites where there's always a few because-we-can obsessed techlords training facial recognition, gait recognition, and seeding AI generated V…

> We can be certain that any woman with an OnlyFans portfolio will face that being dragged up later in their life if they are at all slightly public. I fail to see how it would be limited to women with an OF portfolio and not any female with an instagram/tiktok/facebook/linkedin account? Deepfaking is an online abuse problem that can reach anyone who has a public photo online on the internet.

There are two things discussed in my comment.

\1 Real life identification via images posted online.

This can happen to anyone and more specifically it has a very high chance of happening to people who use OnlyFans and think they'll remain unknown - which runs counter to the opinion expressed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41529846

     [ .. Nobody will know who you are .. ] So there is a good chance you can still have a career alongside it or switch from OF to a non sex related career easily.
\2 Deep faking is increasing in frequency and has yet to be countered.

This offers actual OnlyFans creators an "out" if they wish to have lives seperate to their OF persona's - they can claim anything dug up to be a deepfake (in the absence of any contrary metadata that's definitive).

It's also something that will plague anyone with images online; it's probable that in the future people will pay as little attention to photorealistic videos of Margaret Thatcher blowing Ronald Reagan as they do those of the girl next door getting filthy with a centaur.

Steps are being taken to counter deep fakes, those steps will likely fail to some degree.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by matrix87 »

habinero wrote: post #121
braza wrote: post #118

Not a moralistic take, but one issue that interests me is the second-order impacts associated with the long tail of producers in OF who do not make a career from it. With traditional adult entertainment, creators are aware of the social ramifications (e.g., social stigma, familial ostracism, difficulty dealing with the future, and so on), and there is a decent theoretical economic framework to measure that. I am not…

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Self proclaimed feminists can be just as prudish as anyone else. Feminism is not a panacea. Some of them support sex work, some are strongly opposed

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by matrix87 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #607
beaglesss wrote: post #152

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I wouldn't and I haven't, and I have dated a sex industry worker. BUT When I dated someone in the industry I quickly realized why many people avoid such workers. It's highly correlated with HEAVY drug use, severe mental illness, and sad family stories. Not challenges lot of people looking for in a relationship, especially if they want children.

Oh wow, god forbid you date someone who wasn't as privileged in their past. I get what you are saying, but nearly everyone who has ever lived is full of baggage. After a certain age, any relationship you start will involve talking about all the bad shit you both experienced, how it affected you, how you've grown and dealt with it, etc. Just be an adult about it. What matters is whether a person who had a bad past is…

Elephant in the room is STIs

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by matrix87 »

Freak_NL wrote: post #130
lynx23 wrote: post #122

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Well, those civilians who can think for themselves, especially about the consequences of their actions, are clearly in advantage. I am lacking empathy for those who are apparently so hooked up to the here-and-now that they seem to ignore the future. If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats fine, societies have all sorts of norms we all need to learn.

> If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats [sic] fine, […] How is that 'fine'? I would like to see a future where someone doing sex work to make ends meet (or even as a freely chosen profession!) is not ostracised for it. Sex is part of society whether you want it or not, and so is paying for sexual acts.

> I would like to see a future where someone doing sex work to make ends meet

It's better to have a future where people don't have to do SW to make ends meet

A future where more people get forced into sex work because of economic reasons is not desirable. Consider the diseases, conflict with cultural norms, potential for rape and abuse

Sex should be freely given. "Free laborers" aren't freely giving their labor, they're forced to for economic reasons

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by defrost »

meowface wrote: post #344
defrost wrote: post #204

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Troubled Blood isn't marketing transphobia save in the mind of a reviewer with an axe to grind wrt Rowling's public statements. The wikipedia page outlines the charge that it contains "pernicious anti-trans tropes" and continues: Nick Cohen, writing for The Spectator, argued that the transphobia accusations were baseless and slanderous, noting that Dennis Creed is investigated along with a dozen other suspects. He al…

The prime suspect of the novel is a serial killer who cross-dresses. A book written years after she started campaigning near-daily about the threat of trans women. Those media outlets are being very misleading. The Spectator is a right-wing British newspaper with dozens of anti-trans articles and op-eds. The Scotsman and The Guardian also have very anti-trans skews. (The latter less so, but definitely more anti than…

> The prime suspect of the novel is a serial killer who cross-dresses.

And Barry Humphries is a beloved Australian entertainer who cross dresses. Neither are transgender.

Further, the prime suspect of the novel, Dennis Creed, is closely based on real life serial killers such as Angus Sinclair, Jerry Brudos, and Russell Williams who all share victim name details and traits with the fictional Creed, such as messing with bodies, fetishism, etc

None of these real life serial killers were trans gender, at least two cross dressed, and there are very few serial killers that lack a pathology.

There appears to be some in the world who will see a crime genre author write about a serial killer and immediately conclude that killer must be trans and some kind of transphobic stereotype.

I'm not one of those people.

FWiW I did vote for Leigh Varis-Beswick as mayor of Kalgoorlie but that was mainly due to her having some good ideas for change and having been a lifelong friend of my sister.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Williams_(criminal)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brudos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_End_Murders

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/heavy-metal-heaven-20050828...

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by listless »

kowbell wrote: post #581
listless wrote: post #90

Is anyone willing to admit they subscribe to an OF and explain why over the free pornography alternatives that most of the internet is full of?

I have subscribed. I have paid for PPV. Why? I have disposable income and I feel good when I spend it supporting creators I like. I subscribe to several Patreons of artists and YouTube creators, I’ve got that yearly Nebula subscription locked in, I buy merch and CDs from local bands (even though I don’t really listen to them after shows), and I also will pay folks posting tantalizing stuff on the internet. Sure I can…

Thank you! I appreciate the write up. Do I understand correctly that you do not get a companionship aspect from it? I guess I think of OF as being where you go beyond porn to forming some sort of relationship with the porn star themselves.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by CryptoBanker »

luizfzs wrote: post #658
CryptoBanker wrote: post #649

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M is 1,000 in Roman numerals. MM is short for M*M, so 1,000 * 1,000 = 1,000,000 or MM. The M lives on in languages like Spanish where the word mil means one thousand.

This somewhat misses the point of my comment, tough. The post was written in English, so one should stick to how English represents millions. Based on that, I can say `1.000.000` is equal to MM because Brazil uses `.` to separate groups of 3 digits, and `,` to separate integer and decimal parts. My point is to stick to using the units the language you're writing on uses. Btw, thanks for explaining the origin of MM! I…

mm as an abbreviation is still the standard in finance, so still very relevant in English

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by PopePompus »

zizee wrote: post #761
vundercind wrote: post #596

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Kurt Vonnegut wrote in a couple of places about how recording and mass reproduction destroyed the social (and monetary) value of small-time creative or artistic-expression talent, like knowing how to play the piano OK or being a pretty-good singer or dancing decently well, or being a quite good (but not top 0.1% good) storyteller, or being fairly good at sketching people. Took social, and perhaps making-a-living valu…

This is very close to my feelings about the swathe of AI tools being released. The ability to write an essay, create unique art, spit out a SQL script, write a pithy limerick... all these things are being cheapened somewhat.

I agree with you on everything except the SQL scripts. A world where absolutely nobody has to master SQL or regular expressions is a small step closer to paradise.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by defrost »

prmoustache wrote: post #316
defrost wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Troubled Blood isn't marketing transphobia save in the mind of a reviewer with an axe to grind wrt Rowling's public statements. The wikipedia page outlines the charge that it contains "pernicious anti-trans tropes" and continues: Nick Cohen, writing for The Spectator, argued that the transphobia accusations were baseless and slanderous, noting that Dennis Creed is investigated along with a dozen other suspects. He al…

The point is not that these books include transphobia or not, the point is she chose to include transgender characters after all the drama on twitter relating to her likes and accounts she folllowed/supported. She definitely used all that drama to sell books and benefited from it.

> the point is she chose to include transgender characters

Which character in Troubled Blood is transgender? Is there a transgender character in The Ink Black Heart ?

It's not Dennis Creed as I recall from my reading some time past, certainly not Edie Ledwell.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41536875

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by cocok »

antimemetics wrote: post #435
pfannkuchen wrote: post #368

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This comparison is backwards. Listening to music performed in person by other humans is the natural way of things, like actually having sex with another human. Recorded music is much more like pornography.

The natural way of things is to die at 30 of dysentery- I’m glad we are past that

I don't know, quality of modern life degrades after 30 for many of us. After living with chronic diseases for a decade or two, I kinda envy the hunter-gatherers.

Die quickly at 30, with 10 children and some grandchildren even. Sounds like mission accomplished to me.

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