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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by trealira »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #342
ryandrake wrote: post #302

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Not only that, but also in people's hands. I've seen on many occasions a couple sitting together at a two-seat table, obviously they're together for dinner, both silently scrolling on their smartphones. Not even saying a word to each other. It's eerie and creepy, like something out of Black Mirror. Last time I pointed this out on HN, most repliers were either defending this behavior or being sarcastic with "Well why…

> I've seen on many occasions a couple sitting together at a two-seat table, obviously they're together for dinner, both silently scrolling on their smartphones. Once upon a time, being together without having to talk was a measure of closeness. Relationships that achieved this were venerated. That ideal aside: Proximity itself nurtures trust and feelings of safety. It seems sad that we could miss examples of bonding…

I've had relationships where I just liked spending time with the person, even when just sitting and not talking, but I've also sat around on my phone not talking to people, and it's not at all the same. When you're on your phone, you're in your own little world trying to ignore everyone. When you're such close friends with someone that you even like sitting around and not talking, it's because you want to spend time with them so much that you want to just be around them even if there's no real "excuse" to hang out.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by akimbostrawman »

Tade0 wrote: post #97
Sol- wrote: post #77

Is the "youth mental health crisis" confirmed? I remember reading there was a bit of back and forth in that topic. Some unhappiness was also concentrated among young progressive girls etc. It fits nicely with the pessimistic vibes that everything gets worse, but I wonder to what extent it's media bias and that actually things are normal or even good.

Suicide rates among young people - especially females, have been on the rise for close to a decade now.

i hope those rates will never climb as high as there male counterparts

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by itchyouch »

Bjartr wrote: post #736
ThunderSizzle wrote: post #728

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Please explain how 2x-3x housing costs in 4 years is due to tax policy.

Presumably the implication is that it's because lots of homes are being bought by real estate companies as long term investments that they may or may not even rent back out. This extra demand beyond people buying housing to, you know, live in it, drives up the price. A different tax policy could disincentize this behavior, leading to lower demand and thus lower prices. That's my current understanding of that perspect…

A tax on owning too many properties would be subject to gaming. Many large companies already hold properties in tranches of 5-10m worth of properties per limited partnership, so the tax policy needs to be written carefully to disincentivize holding empty properties in a way that can't easily be gamed.

Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Post by hot_gril »

fragmede wrote: post #633
hot_gril wrote: post #169

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I recently moved. Most of my new friends aren't from here, they came here for work, but they consider it their own city now and are part of the community. It's different in a "commuter city" like San Francisco. That means the majority of people don't even live there during the day, and even their job might be temporary. Unfortunately most are there to make money, not friends.

that was definitely true pre-covid but is it still true?

Are you talking about San Francisco? I don't know, probably.

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Post by consteval »

Dalewyn wrote: post #490
diputsmonro wrote: post #240

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> ...but that doesn't have to affect their ability to engage with trans people, or vice versa. I disagree. How am I supposed to trust and feel safe around someone who knowingly voted for a politician who loudly campaigned on removing my rights and demonizing my very existence? A politician who supports an esoteric policy that disadvantages me in some way is entirely different than one who loudly and plainly says that…

>I disagree. How am I supposed to trust and feel safe around someone who knowingly voted for a politician who loudly campaigned on removing my rights and demonizing my very existence? Because almost all that "demonizing", et al. is just political marketing that will mean nothing if they get into office. I vote Republican because, as a Japanese-American, I sincerely can't stand the constant identity politics the Left/…

> political marketing that will mean nothing if they get into office

Just not true. As the person you replied to pointed out there are hundreds of bills restricting rights for Trans people, all from the right.

In my experience, the average republican is almost allergic to accountability. Yes, these things are happening. Yes, these policies DO represent you. And yes if you vote right you contributed to it.

If that bothers you, or others, it might be time to analyze your affiliations. But you should not simply lie or live in a delusion that nothing happens. No no... things happen. The culture war politics the right cherishes do come to fruition.

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Post by consteval »

saulpw wrote: post #279
diputsmonro wrote: post #240

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> ...but that doesn't have to affect their ability to engage with trans people, or vice versa. I disagree. How am I supposed to trust and feel safe around someone who knowingly voted for a politician who loudly campaigned on removing my rights and demonizing my very existence? A politician who supports an esoteric policy that disadvantages me in some way is entirely different than one who loudly and plainly says that…

Bingo. I'm afraid, internet stranger, that you are part of the problem here. The original topic for this thread was about "community" and the mental health crisis. Community brings diverse people into contact with each other, which fosters communication and thus has the potential to heal division and increase empathy. Do you not realize that a lot of people think that abortion is literally murder? That voting for the…

> continue to be transmitted from generation to generation

Yes, and no. Because the baseline moves. Progressives are ahead of the baseline, and conservatives behind it.

Conservatives of my day were anti-marriage equality. The ones before them were anti-gay in general. Before them, they were anti-integration. Before them anti-women's rights. Before them anti-suffrage. Before them anti-abolition.

The conservative stance gets pushed more and more forever with each passing generation. The overall idea stays - "maintain the status quo and conserve the days of old". But the days of old have changed.

In 100 years, conservatives of that day will be wildly different than the ones right now.

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Post by vegadw »

abnercoimbre wrote: post #543
vegadw wrote: post #287

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I'm willing to help, but as one person, I can only do so much. Hyper-locally, it's actually a problem of community here instead of money anyway. There's a half-way decent maker-space, but it's all old men. Think "ham radio guys" stereotype. They're knowledgeable, but without any young blood (and the artistic pursuits younger people tend to bring) it's not fun.

May I ask where you're based in? I'm a little intrigued.

Lincoln, Nebraska

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Post by stoperaticless »

oarsinsync wrote: post #759
stoperaticless wrote: post #587

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I understand capitalism as “things can be owned and sold” + “you can profit from investment”. > it's a single possible pareto equilibrium I propose that those other equilibriums’ stability depended on at least one of these: a) small population size&density b) violent totalitarian enforcement c) indoctrination in caste system and/or religion d) no contact with capitalism > Capitalism is not an expression of human natu…

> Ownership is very natural for humans (2 year old already declares “it’s mine”). The idea that something a two year old does is a suitable basis for the foundations of society as a whole is both hilarious and terrifying. Two year olds are tyrants.

Yup. That is _part_ of human nature.

That’s why power corrupts.

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Post by diputsmonro »

Dalewyn wrote: post #490
diputsmonro wrote: post #240

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> ...but that doesn't have to affect their ability to engage with trans people, or vice versa. I disagree. How am I supposed to trust and feel safe around someone who knowingly voted for a politician who loudly campaigned on removing my rights and demonizing my very existence? A politician who supports an esoteric policy that disadvantages me in some way is entirely different than one who loudly and plainly says that…

>I disagree. How am I supposed to trust and feel safe around someone who knowingly voted for a politician who loudly campaigned on removing my rights and demonizing my very existence? Because almost all that "demonizing", et al. is just political marketing that will mean nothing if they get into office. I vote Republican because, as a Japanese-American, I sincerely can't stand the constant identity politics the Left/…

> At least the Right/Republicans seem more content to just call me an American and leave me alone.

I am honestly happy that you get that treatment.

A lot of other minorities don't. The left didn't just decide to play identity politics out of nowhere. They did it because this country has a long history of racism - people alive today experienced life before the Civil Rights act. And the racists who had to be told by law to cut it out didn't just stop being racist because a law was passed, just like how laws against murder don't stop murder from occurring. The racists just found other ways to be racist, and many of the underlying issues have persisted. People on the left are still fighting that fight. And their identity does matter, because it's the very thing that is being used against them.

I imagine if you were an immigrant from Mexico, accused of stealing jobs, running drugs, or being a leech on the system - or any other of the (and I quote Trump here) "shithole countries" that the right hates - you might feel differently. You are lucky that, right now, Japan is not on that list.

> Also, it's such a fucking stupid thing to not be friendly with each other just because of political differences.

Again, it's not just "political differences". They demonize minorities to the point of violence, and two of my friends have been assaulted because of it. It's not theoretical tax policy, it's dehumanization, in rhetoric and in actual laws they hope to pass. Not wanting to be around people who want to engage in violence against my friends is not unreasonable. This isn't theoretical, and my friends have scars to prove it.

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