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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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With a better voting system (e.g. Approval or Condorcet) and nothing preventing a dozen candidates from running, that would be much more feasible. These go hand in hand: our current voting system breaks down if multiple candidates draw votes from each other, but a better voting system would be immune to that failure mode and could give people a free choice of several reasonable candidates without having some of them…

Sure or some simplified version of ranked choice voting. Perhaps where only the top two choices get counted instead of having unlimited ranked choices (which can get messy and be harder to audit).

Once you've already had people rank their choices, why ignore meaningful information they've given you? In particular, models like IRV encourage people to continue ranking a compromise candidate on the top, to avoid the scenario where the compromise candidate is eliminated.

In models that ignore some of people's preferences, voting "1 Preferred, 2 Lesser Evil, 3 Greater Evil" is dangerous, because your preference for Lesser Evil over Greater Evil is ignored. This creates an incentive for people to keep voting the way they do now, with the compromise candidate on the top.

Approval makes sense because it's easy to explain. Condorcet makes sense because it's relatively close to ideal at the cost of making it slightly more complex to vote. Any model of the form "Ranked choice, but ignore some of the preferences" is the worst of both worlds: more complex to vote, but doesn't produce as good of an outcome.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Simplest may not be best here. Is Harris the person who is most likely to get people to the polls and vote Dem? Is she someone who can convert independent/undecided voters? etc. IMO those are not easy "yes, absolutely" answers. Does the Democratic party have anyone in the wings who is more likely to win than Harris? Maybe? Gretchen Whitmer might be a strong candidate, off the top of my head. But I'm struggling to thi…

Harris at least has legitimacy as having received votes as the vp, and extra scrutiny given Biden's age. The optics of pushing her out would be tragic.

Whose optics? Its only relevant to the people that would only vote for her. I'm no political strategist, but they'll have to undo the (untrue) opinion that she was in charge of the border, which is one of the Dem's primary losing issues right now. If the Republican's can pin that vision into swing voters minds, true or not, she stands no chance to win. I am unsure if that is a fair prediction but that is why I generally hope they can find someone else.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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There is an argument that in a well functioning democracy voters should be able to decide who is qualified to lead them. It shouldn't matter if the person is 20 or 80 if they are able to fulfill their obligations and win the support of voters. With a well informed population and an electoral system that fairly represents voter preferences there should be no need for arbitrary rules.

Setting aside the argument if any electorate is really capable of making that decision - the world has elected many questionable leaders - the big question is "what if the conditions change halfway through". That likelihood increases with age, and even the most well-informed population does not have the ability to withdraw their consent if it does.

Was there a primary election this year in your state? This question is open to anyone to answer.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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> you must be younger than > the average life expectancy > (currently 73yo) - while in > office. As an aside, it's a common error to think that overall life expectancy is relevant to this sort of thing, it's not. That number includes those who die in infancy, etc. If you wanted to limit it by "life expectancy" you'd want to limit it by the statistical expected remaining years of life at the candidate's current age .…

Still, people age very differently. Some octogenarians are completing triathlons. Medicine also seems likely to increase longevity. Think of the many who through their 80s were cogent, even masterful. Examples include Warren Buffett, John Searle, Hubert Dreyfus, George Soros, Henry Kissinger, Clint Eastwood, and with women it’s probably even more common, and we can look to Nancy Pelosi, or indeed my own grandmother.…

I’m gonna add another one to your list: Hubie Brown https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubie_Brown

The guy’s in his 90s and still does broadcasting for the NBA and is as sharp as you can be.

You’d never suspect he’s a person in his 90s while listening to it.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Putting politics aside … Why don’t they have an age limit on the president (or any elected office)? E.g., you must be younger than the average life expectancy (currently men: 73yo / female: 79) - while in office. https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

If there's to be an age limit, I think it should be tied to the average retirement age plus 7 years. This accounts for changes in life expectancy while also allowing representation for retirees.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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It's considered to be up to the voters to pick the best candidate.

The DNC picks Democrat candidates. The purpose of superdelegates is to overrule popular votes in primaries. To make nominations "less chaotic." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

> In 2018, the Democratic National Committee reduced the influence of superdelegates by barring them from voting on the first ballot at the Democratic National Convention, allowing them to vote only in a contested convention.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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This is wild. It seems super late in the game but okay. I'm super interested to see what will become of his chips act etc. The push he has tried to do to remove dependencies on TSMC is very forward thinking. Hopefully the next candidate takes up the momentum. Edit : Typo in TSMC

He tried a to push a lot of things in the positive direction. Democrats usually do. In addition to the chips act, there's infrastructure - saw a HN comment linking to database of where the infrastructure money went; insulin cost, public transportation, electric vehicles, climate in general, student loans. He tweeted imposing 25% tax on billionaires, which ultimately became his undoing.

> He tweeted imposing 25% tax on billionaires, which ultimately became his undoing.

Unless you’re suggesting the billionaires made him senile that wasn’t his undoing. He was a decent president, and accomplished some nice things, but his undoing is the fact that he can no longer speak in full sentences without folks holding their breath.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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It's considered to be up to the voters to pick the best candidate.

> It's considered to be up to the voters to pick the best candidate. Democrats didnt get a chance to do that with Biden this time, there was no primary.

There was a primary, every state except Florida held one. Dean Philips is the only notable person who ran against him, but you did in fact have a chance to vote/caucus for someone other than Biden if you were a democrat.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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The Democrats now need to emphasize that Trump, who is 78, is too old too. They can feature clips of Trump in 2020 saying that Biden at 78 was too old.

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> That is just calling yourself a liar

Yeah, because politics is where truth famously reigns supreme.

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