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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

There is an important distinction between anti-immigration policies and anti-illegal immigration policies. I don’t know of many politicians who are against immigration of any kind. But there are plenty who are for doing something about the hundreds of thousands crossing the border illegally and/or abusing the asylum process. This isn’t even a partisan issue. Many of those opposed to fixing this problem did an immediate 180 the moment those illegal immigrants began being bussed to their city.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I see a lot of mentions here of the US embargo as if it's the only factor in why Cuba is so poor.

Unfortunately, it appears to be mostly misinformation. Noah Smith lays out quite well why Cuba's poor state is mainly due to poor policy of the single party state: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-cuba-is-having-an-economic...

Additionally, just skimming the wiki page about Cuba's economy points out how false the embargo narrative is: Cubas top export partners are China, Spain, Netherlands, and Germany. Cuba's top import partners are: Spain, China, Italy, Canada, Brazil, and... The US.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Cuba

It's ironic that there's a comment here supporting the misinformation about the embargo that points out how this state of affairs lasts because of manufacturing consent while it itself appears to be a result of manufacturing consents in the theme of "America Bad"

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

You cannot use Europe as an example, because, it might surprise you, but European cultures are vastly different from American culture. A lot of the marginalized groups in Europe, have no problem integrating in the US. And to put the blame of lack of integration purely on the immigrant group is very disingenuous when you have all these far-right political parties openly showing their colours and saying matter of fact…

> And finally, what's the link between integration and crime? I don't see the connection.

Here's some data from Denmark[0], for example, that breaks down various statistics for different immigrant groups in Denmark. I take it as axiomatic that immigrants from other Western countries are better integrated to Danish society than those from farther-away (culturally speaking) places[1]. You can see that as a group, immigrants from majority Muslim countries are very strongly overrepresented in violent crime.

> to put the blame of lack of integration purely on the immigrant group is very disingenuous

Modern immigration isn't slavery, where someone was forcibly brought to a new land against their will. Nobody has a right to be in any country they please, other than their home. So it follows that the onus is on immigrants to assimilate to the laws and cultures of the country they voluntarily chose to go to. Of course, it would be welcoming of the host country to facilitate that process, but I don't see that as being obligatory.

[0]: https://inquisitivebird.substack.com/p/the-effects-of-immigr...

[1]: Of course, you may disagree, but I would regard that as a strange position needing a stout defense.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

There’s a very sizable number of low paying, dirty, dangerous, and/or boring jobs that we can’t find enough locals to do. Think farm hands, home care aides, meat processors, etc. Unskilled immigrants do those jobs because that’s what is available to them (I.e unskilled). If they weren’t doing those jobs, we’d have to pay significantly more for the goods and services that labor depends on. Immigrant labor is disinflat…

It’s shocking to me that the argument that consistently gets trotted out as to why we should accept illegal immigration is that they perform jobs too dangerous and poorly paid for non-illegal immigrants to do. Perhaps if there wasn’t a never ending stream of people so poor and powerless to take advantage of, these industries might be forced to pay livable wages or provide better protections.

It’s insane that the supposedly progressive faction of American politics is arguing in favor of a system that amounts to a modern version of indentured servitude and systemic violation of labor rights, all for the sake of cheaper fruit and meat.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Are you saying that the massive multi-decade US sanctions had no impact?

They are saying that if the many ways that socialist countries have failed, there is always a hundred different excuses for why that specific example of failure doesn't "count".

If your system is incapable of dealing with any sort of adversity, then that is failure of the system.

All countries around the world have problems.

And yet, most countries are able to deal with them. Unlikely, apparently, every major socialist country.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

#819

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

Many are arguing the case for the net economic value of immigrant labor which I agree is a fairly compelling case. I'd like to offer an alternate avenue of attack, however: population trends.

Without immigration, U.S. population growth would be well below replacement rate. This is a growing problem throughout the entire developed world with no fair answers -- increasingly, it looks as though the next several decades of geopolitical power will be defined by which countries can attract the immigrants necessary to maintain, at minimum, some population growth.

I won't pretend that the U.S. is a race utopia. We hit just about every single branch on the way down, if I'm being honest... but most of the ethnostates currently competing for world-power status haven't even realized there's a tree that they need to be descending yet. We have a powerful edge in the coming geopolitical era as one of the most pluralistic, multicultural nations in human history. We have unmatched institutions and experience when it comes to integrating immigrants -- not to mention the incredible advantage of having a language & culture that is familiar to the majority of living humans.

In my opinion, walking back from these advantages at such a critical turning point is probably not something that the country could survive in the long-term. We either embrace our identity as the world's melting pot or we wither away as hermits.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

#820

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

> No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers. That is not true. If no one is opposing immigration of skilled workers then why getting a visa is a lottery?

If they opposed skilled immigration, there wouldn’t be a lottery at all, there would be 0 visas allocated.
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