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Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

tmalsburg2 wrote: post #324
noiseinvacuum wrote: post #254

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Good thing that he's only 39 years old and seems more energetic than ever to run his company. Having a passionate founder is, imo, a big advantage for Meta compared to other big tech companies.

Love how everyone is romanticizing his engineering mindset. But have we already forgotten that he was even more passionate about the metaverse which, as far as I can tell, was a 50B failure?

It would have been if the bet that AR glasses in a spectacle form factor could have been solved. But the lens display just isn’t possible today.

Apple made the same bet too and had to capitulate to a VR headset + cameras in the end.

The Zuck difference is he pivoted to AI at the right time, Apple didn’t.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

agar wrote: post #513
tmalsburg2 wrote: post #324

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Love how everyone is romanticizing his engineering mindset. But have we already forgotten that he was even more passionate about the metaverse which, as far as I can tell, was a 50B failure?

If you actually listen to how Zuck defines the metaverse, it's not Horizons or even a VR headset. That's what pundits say, most of whom love pointing out big failures more than they like thinking deeply. He sees the metaverse as the entire shared online space that evolves into a more multi-user collaborative model with more human-centric input/output devices than a computer and phone. It includes co-presence, mixed r…

It’s really obvious the actual “metaverse” goal wasn’t a vrchat/second life style product. It was another layer on top of the real world where physical space could be monetized, augmented and eventually advertised upon.

AR glasses in a spectacles form factor was the goal, it’s just to get there a VR headset includes solving a lot of the problems you need to solve for the glasses to work at all.

Apple made the same bet.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by latexr »

eru wrote: post #807
latexr wrote: post #776

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> Fortunately, or unfortunately, that has the side effect of eg paying veterinary nurses peanuts, because there's always people willing to do those kinds of 'cute' jobs. Veterinaries (including technicians) have an absurdly high rate of suicide. They have a stressful job, constantly around death and mistreatment situations, and don’t get the respect (despite often knowing more than human doctors) or the salaries to m…

Yet, people still line up to become veterinaries (and technicians). Which proves my point. > Calling these jobs “cute” or saying the veterinary situation is “fortunate” borders on cruel, [...] Perhaps not the best choice of words, I admit.

> Yet, people still line up to become veterinaries (and technicians). Which proves my point.

The informed reality is that the rate of drop out is also huge. Not only from people who leave the course while studying, but also professionals who abandon the field entirely after just a few years of work.

Many of them are already suffering in college yet continue due to a sense of necessity or sunk cost and burn themselves out.

So no, it does not prove your point. The one thing it proves is that the public in general is insufficiently informed about what being a veterinary is like. They should be paid more and have better conditions (worth noting some countries do treat them better), not be churned out and left to die (literally) because there’s always another chump down the line.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by ArcMex »

Gave it the prompt "novel idea" and of course I meant this[0] just to see what would happen. My expectation was that it would seek clarification.

Instead, it proceeded to give me plot twists, genre-bending narratives and premises all based in my country and city.

0 - https://pastebin.com/SX11BZTa

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by edward28 »

LrnByTeach wrote: post #610
bbig wrote: post #4

They've got a console for it as well, https://www.meta.ai/ And announcing a lot of integration across the Meta product suite, https://about.fb.com/news/2024/04/meta-ai-assistant-built-wi... Neglected to include comparisons against GPT-4-Turbo or Claude Opus, so I guess it's far from being a frontier model. We'll see how it fares in the LLM Arena.

Losers & Winners from Llama-3-400B Matching 'Claude 3 Opus' etc.. Losers: - Nvidia Stock : lid on GPU growth in the coming year or two as "Nation states" use Llama-3/Llama-4 instead spending $$$ on GPU for own models, same goes with big corporations. - OpenAI & Sam: hard to raise speculated $100 Billion, Given GPT-4/GPT-5 advances are visible now. - Google : diminished AI superiority posture Winners: - AMD, intel: th…

Pretty sure meta still uses NVIDIA for training.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by jesseduffield »

bricee98 wrote: post #778
acchow wrote: post #755

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I've never heard of this person, but many of the questions he asks Zuck show a total lack of any insight in this field. How did this interview even happen?

I actually think Dwarkesh is usually pretty good - this interview wasn’t his best (maybe he was a bit nervous because it’s Zuck?) but his show has had a lot of good conversations that get more into the weeds than other shows in my experience

Seconding this opinion: Dwarkesh's podcast is really good. I haven't watched all of the Zuck interview but I recommend others to check out a couple extra episodes to get a more representative sample. He is one of the few postcasters who does his homework.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by ikurei »

amitport wrote: post #736
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #422

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Those are all great points and these companies need to really be called out for open washing

It's a good balance IMHO. I appreciate what they have released.

I appreciate it too, and they're of course going to call it "open weights", but I reckon we (the technically informed public) should call it "weights-available".

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by singhblom »

realce wrote: post #443
sunaookami wrote: post #312

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>We’re rolling out Meta AI in English in more than a dozen countries outside of the US. Now, people will have access to Meta AI in Australia, Canada, Ghana, Jamaica, Malawi, New Zealand, Nigeria, Pakistan, Singapore, South Africa, Uganda, Zambia and Zimbabwe — and we’re just getting started. https://about.fb.com/news/2024/04/meta-ai-assistant-built-wi...

That's a strange list of nations, isn't it? I wonder what their logic is.

All anglophone. I'm guessing privacy laws or something like that disqualifies the UK and Ireland.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by skissane »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #782
hanspeter wrote: post #458

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It's because of regulations! The same reason that Threads was launched with a delay in EU. It simply takes a lot of work to comply with EU regulations, and by no surprise will we see these launches happen outside of EU first.

Yet for some reason it doesn't work in non-EU European countries like Serbia and Switzerland, either.

In the case of Switzerland, the EU and Switzerland have signed a series of bilateral treaties which effectively make significant chunks of EU law applicable in Switzerland.

Whether that applies to the specific regulations in question here, I don't know – but even if it doesn't, it may take them some time for their lawyers to research the issue and tell them that.

Similarly, for Serbia, a plausible explanation is they don't actually know what laws and regulations it may have on this topic–they probably don't have any Serbian lawyers in-house, and they may have to contract with a local Serbian law firm to answer that question for them, which will take time to organise. Whereas, for larger economies (US, EU, UK, etc), they probably do have in-house lawyers.

Re: Meta Llama 3

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Post by cm2012 »

vineyardmike wrote: post #774
LrnByTeach wrote: post #610

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Losers & Winners from Llama-3-400B Matching 'Claude 3 Opus' etc.. Losers: - Nvidia Stock : lid on GPU growth in the coming year or two as "Nation states" use Llama-3/Llama-4 instead spending $$$ on GPU for own models, same goes with big corporations. - OpenAI & Sam: hard to raise speculated $100 Billion, Given GPT-4/GPT-5 advances are visible now. - Google : diminished AI superiority posture Winners: - AMD, intel: th…

I also disagree on Google... Google's business is largely not predicated on AI the way everyone else is. Sure they hope it's a driver of growth, but if the entire LLM industry disappeared, they'd be fine. Google doesn't need AI "Superiority", they need "good enough" to prevent the masses from product switching. If the entire world is saturated in AI, then it no longer becomes a differentiator to drive switching. And…

AI is taking marketshare from search slowly. More and more people will go to the AI to find things and not a search bar. It will be a crisis for Google in 5-10 years.
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