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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by callmeal »

simondotau wrote: post #799
noapologies wrote: post #717

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is much harder to explain to consumers why Apple should get a percentage-based rent (sorry Core Technology Fee that enables Privacy and Security™) if they go to a non-Apple website, download a non-Apple app, to do non-Apple-related things. Like literally the only participants in that business transaction are the consumer and the company, Apple does not even enter the picture. It would be like car manufacturers cha…

> Apple does not even enter the picture. Not exactly true, there are fragments of Apple intellectual property distributed with compiled binaries.

>Not exactly true, there are fragments of Apple intellectual property distributed with compiled binaries.

Which the annual tax (aka developer fee) presumably covers.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by fennecbutt »

endisneigh wrote: post #756
docmars wrote: post #750

Oh the horror, it must be so hard for Apple to cave to an open system for these people. What will they ever do without their unbelievable tax on app profits simply for existing on their nearly unlimited real estate, that is, the web?! I have no sympathy for their concerns. I can download apps on my MacBook machines all day from many different sources, and it harms no one. While I understand the associated risks, comp…

I’m very curious how you have this position yet have a MacBook. Why not support a better company like framework?

Because Apple is a company that does actually make great hardware, just marred by their idiot suit and tie MBA best schools social ties 1% tax dodging executive team that wants to foster the cultish attitude of their consumers and... well they succeeded in a way.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by fennecbutt »

Nevermark wrote: post #786
endisneigh wrote: post #756

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I’m very curious how you have this position yet have a MacBook. Why not support a better company like framework?

I see this question a lot. People complain about the products that are best for them. Nobody (with the power to decide what they use) complains about a product long, unless it is still their best choice. And suppliers of products being complained about are not companies "not worth supporting". They are making the product that is the best fit for the complaining customer! They are not perfect. They can do better. So c…

Yeah that seems to be a common theme with Apple peeps, being fine with "Well if you don't like what Apple gives you, go somewhere else!"

But like...if someone really does like the product but knows that product could be even better, wouldn't they naturally speak up about it?

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by quartesixte »

lobochrome wrote: post #809
docmars wrote: post #750

Oh the horror, it must be so hard for Apple to cave to an open system for these people. What will they ever do without their unbelievable tax on app profits simply for existing on their nearly unlimited real estate, that is, the web?! I have no sympathy for their concerns. I can download apps on my MacBook machines all day from many different sources, and it harms no one. While I understand the associated risks, comp…

Not to disagree with your main argument - but high end real estate often works that way. The developer is often cut into the topline of the stores.

Not just high end real estate. Your local mom & pop in a strip mall somewhere (at least in the US) has a high chance of paying % of gross receipts to the landlord + rent.

This may vary by location and landlord but it absolutely is a thing. And a guarantee for any high-end, high-traffic location.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by fennecbutt »

gxs wrote: post #792
endisneigh wrote: post #756

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I’m very curious how you have this position yet have a MacBook. Why not support a better company like framework?

Because people are incredibly entitled and want to have their cake and eat it too. So you bought an iPhone knowing you can’t download apps and then go cry because you can’t download apps? Then your argument is that well, all my friends have iPhones or there are some other good features, or whatever else you make up? So you obviously find value in the product, it’s missing a feature, but you will consciously buy it an…

Why are you defending a trillion dollar company lmao?

Why do you care so much that Apple has been forced to give consumers more choice, you can still just use the app store yourself, nobody is forcing you to use apps from alternative stores.

This is the standard "one true religion" reaction imo.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by rezonant »

gxs wrote: post #795
DanHulton wrote: post #762

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"You hate capitalism so much, _and yet you live under capitalism!_ How very hypocritical of you..." Don't get me wrong, Framework makes a lot of neat stuff, but you can't swap out a Macbook to _anything_ without consequences. It does not take a lot of imagination and empathy to see that for some people, those consequences aren't acceptable at all, or not simply not worth the utterly undetectable sting that a company…

What a false equivalency. No, you can’t avoid capitalism, you’re born in the country your born and you don’t have that choice. This is more like moving to a capitalist country and then complaining that you live in a capitalist country.

The tech companies have boiled their frogs slowly and deliberately. Apple didn't start out the way it is today after all.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by noapologies »

monocularvision wrote: post #807
noapologies wrote: post #793

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True, though the situation isn't exactly equivalent. Using another real estate analogy - Imagine you bought a house from Fruit Builders company. The house came with a pool. Now unlike every other pool in existence, this is a very special pool that just really cares about your privacy and security a lot. It won't let you use any random pool toy (it has lasers), no it must be a well-behaved toy that is rigorously teste…

Except in the real world, toys generally can’t do things like steal your private data and send confidential data to third parties. If you’re going to come up with analogies, at least do something that is remotely applicable.

Why not? You are presumably less-clothed in a pool, it could take pictures. Or record private conversations. Or both.

But sure, here's another -

You can run any company's software on a MBP, downloaded from the internet, without paying a dime to Apple. Similar situation applies to Windows / Microsoft.

The iOS model is advocating for rent-seeking in MacOs and Windows binaries.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by fennecbutt »

monocularvision wrote: post #807
noapologies wrote: post #793

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, though the situation isn't exactly equivalent. Using another real estate analogy - Imagine you bought a house from Fruit Builders company. The house came with a pool. Now unlike every other pool in existence, this is a very special pool that just really cares about your privacy and security a lot. It won't let you use any random pool toy (it has lasers), no it must be a well-behaved toy that is rigorously teste…

Except in the real world, toys generally can’t do things like steal your private data and send confidential data to third parties. If you’re going to come up with analogies, at least do something that is remotely applicable.

Why can apps installed from anywhere steal your data?

Surely Apple's OS/framework that they tried to say they spent so much money developing, sandboxes and protects all running code from said data vacuuming behaviour?

Or did you really believe Apple when they said it would reduce security™

Because the only reason it would is if Apple let it happen on purpose so they can create a consumer backlash by saying "I told you so".

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by rezonant »

xvector wrote: post #759
endisneigh wrote: post #756

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m very curious how you have this position yet have a MacBook. Why not support a better company like framework?

Because MacBooks are just better. (Have owned both.) I have owned, and continue to own, all sorts of laptops and phones. I could rant about Apple all day long online, but in the end their product is simply superior.

And yet if your statement were true, it would not explain why others who also own "both" disagree with you. Absolutism does not serve you, there are few subjects in this world that lack nuance.

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Post by kuschku »

quartesixte wrote: post #814
lobochrome wrote: post #809

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to disagree with your main argument - but high end real estate often works that way. The developer is often cut into the topline of the stores.

Not just high end real estate. Your local mom & pop in a strip mall somewhere (at least in the US) has a high chance of paying % of gross receipts to the landlord + rent. This may vary by location and landlord but it absolutely is a thing. And a guarantee for any high-end, high-traffic location.

Luckily that's a rare thing and the vast majority if commercial real estate has no such rules whatsoever, even on main street.
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