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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by dingclancy »

zooq_ai wrote: post #327
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

Also as time goes by, it'll get smoothly integrated into docs/gmail/maps/calendar/youtube/search/colab/sheets/android/assistant So Gemini could by your one-stop AI shop for everything. Only Microsoft can match it (but Microsoft doesn't have a popular maps, youtube, mail, smartphone OS service). Apple is another strong player (but they don't have productivity tools like docs, sheets or youtube). It really is Google's…

Gemini the chatbot will still need to compete with ChatGPT on raw performance/intelligence/SOTA. Gemini should first be considered the undisputed winner of AI chatbots. Right now ChatGPT 4 is the "winner" in mindshare and I am not sure what Google needs to do except for OpenAI to bungle their own releases.

Gemini integration with Google's apps will compete with Microsoft's app on integration.

And the condition for Gemini to win: Google has to go all-in. and that means creating an AI that will eventually phase out their cash-cow Google Search. Microsoft and OpenAI does not have that kind of internal conflict.

It really is Google's to lose this AI race from now on. - We have heard this so many times and it seems like they are always getting behind by the day.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by attentive »

tarvaina wrote: post #299

Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Gemini Advanced – the…

they should drop Gemini Advanced and call both the service and the model Gemini Ultra

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Post by amadeuspagel »

firejake308 wrote: post #681
Andrex wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risks involving hallucinations are too damn high still, and may always be. I had a similar line of thought with AI therapists. It could be massively beneficial if perfect, but the risk in seriously messing with someone's well-being is significant and shouldn't be handwaved away.

> The risks involving hallucinations are too damn high still, and may always be. Yes, but I think in the limited realm of people who otherwise wouldn't get any advice at all, I think LLMs could play a useful role. American healthcare is so prohibitively expensive that many people with potential medical issues will avoid seeing a doctor until it is too late to do anything. Checking in with an LLM could help people at…

Otherwise not getting advice at all goes way beyond healthcare being too expensive, it could be that you don't get an appointment and it could just be that you don't have the time or energy.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by nealabq »

gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

Gemini is not distinct and memorable. It feels like a muddled compromise.

I'd name it GooGaa or Googa. Like "Google" and "goo-goo-gaa-gaa" (baby's first babbling). It's flowing, friendly & familiar.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by attentive »

spankalee wrote: post #460
tarvaina wrote: post #299

Did I get this right? Bard – old name of their generative AI service, to be called Gemini Duet AI – old name for their generative AI in Google Workspace, to be called Gemini Gemini – three things: 1. the name of their models (like GPT). 2. the new name of their free service (like ChatGPT), gives access to Pro 1.0 but not Ultra 1.0. 3. the new name of the Generative AI tools in Google Workspace. Gemini Advanced – the…

I'm a Googler, and I think this is not only the right move but I've of the better names and renamings that the company has done. First, Gemini is just a better sounding name than Bard. And then, few users are going to care about the difference between the model and the app that lets you use the model. If Google kept this distinction they would have inevitably had to either come up with a new name for a new model, whi…

Gemini is free but not as good. You get gemini pro for it though, for free.

To get the good staff you need gemini ultra. And to get that you need to pay for gemini advanced.

Yeah, not confusing at all.

Selling gemini ultra to get gemini ultra is too simple for google.

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Post by ldjkfkdsjnv »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #240
synergy20 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

google is at a catch-up panic mode these days but all the rushed releases so far is still far behind chatgpt per my quick tests.

It turns out iterating on and incorporating a large volume of user feedback is more important than having the most and most talented AI researchers, at least in the short term.

They have the most prestigious researchers and engineers that can jump through interview hoops. That doesnt translate to world changing products, and they arent "the best"

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by foogazi »

cl42 wrote: post #805

Anyone know if Gemini has access to the web? Or how to give it access, if so? Happy to pay for Ultra but the docs are unclear...

It can summarize links and provide links for products

I asked it to summarize a link for a product and give me comparable products, with reviews and links and build a table for the results

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by huytersd »

wslh wrote: post #492
freediver wrote: post #277

This is an impressive product, well done Google. There is a PM in there somewhere who knows what they are doing, kudos to you. Prediction: they get to 6-7 digit number of paying customers, decide it is peanuts for them (~$20M/mo) and instead decide to push the free version with ads with full force as the future of search.

Are they in an innovation dilemma now? If Gemini is great as it seem it is and will be it will destroy the search engine and the SEO/SEM/etc world. They can show ads in Gemini but we don't have a list of results from a query but an answer to a question. I think this changes the general idea of online ads.

Plenty of ways to monetize that. They could use inline ads. They could insert a relevant ad after a response. If they go evil, they could predispose the LLM to make product suggestions for paying clients.

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Post by crazygringo »

a_wild_dandan wrote: post #803
crazygringo wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

When I read new thread responses, I briefly thought that I wrote[1] your reply and was confused lol. Great minds think alike. I feel vindicated about my weird opinion. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39306764

Ha, that's too funny -- I missed yours somehow or else I would have commented underneath it.
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