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Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by starbugs »

petre wrote: post #802
toyg wrote: post #647

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There might be more than reflexive whining at play, considering the review will include European manufacturers. The Commission might be trying to gear up towards some sort of EU-wide subsidy program to match the Chinese one. It's the sort of thing that individual EU governments are explicitly banned from, by Common Market rules; but when the push comes from some of the biggest German and French businesses, a solution…

Don't worry. The EU manufacturers will get slap on the wrist, while the Chinese ones shall be hit with huge fines, tariffs and other EU antics.

And the consumer will pay for it.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by naijaboiler »

citiguy wrote: post #475
m463 wrote: post #467

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My experience renting a model 3 from hertz was both positive and negative. At first, it was hard since I've never owned a model 3. Even if you are a model 3 owner, you are probably used to using your phone as the key. They give you a keycard. anyway, I didn't know how to lock the doors. finally I figured out the lock symbol on the central display and locked the doors. But when I got out, they were unlocked again. The…

I rented a Model 3 from Hertz last year and drove about 120 miles in it. Due to the super cold weather (like 12 degrees), plus the fact that I drove in the mountains in New England, and I used the heat (it was freezing and I had my child with me), I had the charge the car 1/2 way there, which made me stop in the middle of nowhere for 30 minutes while I waited at a super charger. Honestly this experience stunk. I thin…

Rented model3 in New England, drove 1 trip, paid some $33 in town for charging cost, for a distance for which the gas equivalent wood have been no more than $15. Spent time hunting for charging stations until I found the supercharger.

Came here and said EV was not cheaper to run for me, many people on here disagreed. I gave up

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by jtriangle »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #793
jtriangle wrote: post #447

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Good on you, you're an early adopter of electric personal transport tech. We need people like you to tough it out until the R&D dollars yield something that's actually at feature parity with what already exists currently.

Does "parity" mean "equal or better in every possible way"? Because overall, if you ignore old and new and just analyze both on their merits, I'd say we have rough parity already.

Parity means you can charge your car in 5 minutes and then drive 3-400 miles, as you can in a gas car, access to repair facilities, and an average lifetime equivalent to regular cars.

We're not there yet, we will be, but it's going to take some time. The people who say 'electric cars suck' are the same sorts of people who leave negative reviews of a beta product, missing the forest for the trees in my book.

Same goes for the people who ignore critique and offer only praise. Gas/Diesel cars have a hundred years of engineering behind them. Their capabilities exist with purpose, and ignoring that is folly.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by Dylan16807 »

jtriangle wrote: post #813
Dylan16807 wrote: post #793

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Does "parity" mean "equal or better in every possible way"? Because overall, if you ignore old and new and just analyze both on their merits, I'd say we have rough parity already.

Parity means you can charge your car in 5 minutes and then drive 3-400 miles, as you can in a gas car, access to repair facilities, and an average lifetime equivalent to regular cars. We're not there yet, we will be, but it's going to take some time. The people who say 'electric cars suck' are the same sorts of people who leave negative reviews of a beta product, missing the forest for the trees in my book. Same goes…

> Parity means you can charge your car in 5 minutes and then drive 3-400 miles, as you can in a gas car, access to repair facilities, and an average lifetime equivalent to regular cars.

So yes, it sounds like your definition of "parity" means it can do everything a gas car can and more.

If electric cars were first, would you demand that gas cars need to be able to power your house to reach "parity"?

I don't think you're using a good definition of parity. Two things with different strengths and weaknesses can be at parity if they mostly even out.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by clouddrover »

surfmike wrote: post #349
ender341341 wrote: post #327

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Other possible reasons - We're in a recession (at least if you aren't upper middle class or above) - Dealers are still acting like there's a supply shortage, so prices are still up but lots are full - Everyone (pretty much) but tesla has commited to migrating to NACS, so if you buy a car now you'll need an adapter, and depending on where you are tesla's chargers are have half the speed if you're using the adapter (li…

I thought NACS _is_ Tesla's charger? i.e. they're been migrated from the start?

> I thought NACS _is_ Tesla's charger?

No, NACS is CCS with Tesla's plug on the end. All that's happened is that the plug has been standardized as CCS type 3 (aka J3400).

Some older Tesla's don't support CCS and need a CCS retrofit before they'll work with CCS chargers (including ones with Tesla's plug).

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by mulmen »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #806
pandaman wrote: post #707

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>It doesn't need an idrive button. It has voice. Every car has voice, it just does not work well in the US because street and establishment names are often not real words in English, people don't know how they are pronounced and, even if they do, the car itself has different ideas about pronunciation. iDrive guarantees that you can get to the "Manet st" and not the "Monet st". >The Tesla does all the things you liste…

I never have trouble telling it what street I'm going to. And no. I never go into the menus for the AC. I do it though voice.

Is this why I have to ask my Uber driver to turn the rear seat heater on? How do I even interact with the voice control as a passenger? Am I supposed to say "Hey Elon, warm my ass"?

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Post by ufocia »

talldatethrow wrote: post #784
theGnuMe wrote: post #779

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I am pretty sure zoning and environmental laws prevent that. A gas can maybe max 3 gallons

I love hacker news. Opinions about storing gas, not even knowing the universal gas can size is 5 gallons in the US.

Also, many people in the US (overwhelmingly in the Northeast) heat their houses with heating oil and thus already store roughly 300 gallons (or 1000 liters) or so of this diesel compatible substance in their abodes.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by ufocia »

foofie wrote: post #799
moffkalast wrote: post #643

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Now if only there was an EV that combined tesla's charging infrastructure with an actual quality car at a reasonable price, that would be great.

The European Union created their Combined Charging System (CCS) standard and has been enforcing it since around 2014. I think Tesla's charging infrastructure in Europe has been forced to comply with that standard since it's inception as a precondition to apply for subsidies. The US followed suite and has also forced support for CCS when applying for subsidy programs to grow Tesla's charging network. https://qz.com/th…

I read the post to mean that Teslas are expensive crap.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by foofie »

dcchambers wrote: post #453

Im bullish on EVs but I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs. EVs are best for the types of driving we do on a day-to-day basis. Short commutes in areas we know well. Charge at home over night and 95% of the year you never worry about charging. Renting a car means I'm usually either driving long distances or im somewhere new and I don't know about the local charging infr…

> Im bullish on EVs but I feel like rental cars are one of the worst places for the current generation of EVs.

I don't agree. It really depends on what usage you're aiming for.

For instance, if you rent a car right out of an airport so that you can drive to the hotel and then to an meeting somewhere in the city and afterwards perhaps somewhere else and then back to the hotel, you're renting a car so that you are completely free to travel across town to get where you need to be. These are relatively short drives zig-zagging across town which can include a few hours of parking between rides.

It sounds like an EV is the ideal vehicle for this use pattern.

If instead you need to go on long rides that take hours and you can't afford wasting hours charging then EVs are not as well suited as ICE-powered cars.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Post by nunez »

_ea1k wrote: post #232
nunez wrote: post #229

I have been almost exclusively renting electric cars since late 2022. This makes total sense. Tesla is very strict about their parts distribution. They will only send parts to authorized Tesla service centers, of which there aren't that many. This is extremely unfortunate for rental cars, as they get beat to absolute shit and are in a near constant state of repair. I've rented several Teslas from Hertz and Avis. Almo…

Also, with business travel, I generally haven't been allowed to expense fees to returning it with less than a full tank. With EVs, this would mean that I couldn't pay even a reasonable fee for this service. That'd be enough to make me avoid them on business travel, even though I also tend to rent EVs when traveling for leisure.

That's surprising. The companies I've worked for have always asked me to select the fuel plan option.
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