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Apple unveils the new MacBook Pro featuring the M3 family of chips - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38078065
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Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max
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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max
#812Earlier quoted context omitted.
The new M3 14" MBP seems to be a red herring - why does it even exist? Why not just refresh the MBA instead? An obvious rule of thumb is for "Pro"-branded laptops to only use "Pro"-branded chips. It's what they follow for the iPhone lineup, but I suppose iPad Pros also use non-Pro chips. Just seems like a very confusing SKU to create, and definitely something Steve wouldn't approve of.
I personally struggle with the 14". It feels too small to be productive on, at least for coding. Anyone else experience this? And yet, the MBA's screen in comparison is serviceable and nice, but nothing outstanding. That's the case for the MBP 14 (when the 16 is just too large and bulky).
I find the 14" perfect, but I also find a tiling window manager (universally) vital.
Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max
#813Apple launched M2 MBPs only in January. I wonder if Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite (benchmarking now, but not in products until mid-2024) drove some of the timing on this launch: https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/laptops/qualcomm-bri...
ARM on Windows is going to be irrelevant for at least a decade likely forever. There is a long-standing culture with the Mac that (a) backwards compatibility is minimal, (b) developers need to always keep their code current and (c) users should expect constant turnover in the platform. None of that exists on Windows. And when we last saw Windows on ARM the outcomes were that this wasn't going to change. Which means i…
The reports of emulation and native apps on Windows seem pretty compelling to me, and the battery life improvements are substantial. For people who live in browsers (most people), it's not that hard.
The more compelling reason for fragmentation is that AMD and Intel will stay with x86 as long as they can, and high prices from Qualcomm will keep people from shifting over en mass.
Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max
#814Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, that's the title, but at least in this PR they immediately show a graph with a comparison to both. Presumably it makes more marketing sense to compare to the M1 family up front because most people that bought an M2 last year are probably not going to be upgrading to M3. They are speaking to the people most likely to upgrade.
fwiw, i cant remember the last time i saw a company go back more than a generation in their own comparison. Apple is saying here as much as they're not saying here. M2->M3 may not be a compelling upgrade story.
Nvidia did it when they released the RTX 3080 / 3090 because the RTX 2000 series was kind of a dud upgrade from GTX 1060 and 1080 Ti
Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max
#815Am i the only one who is frustrated with the mac monitor options these days? I don't know anyone who uses a 27" desktop monitor, much less a 24". What year is it? And $5k for a 32" is insulting.
The “correct” retina resolutions are 4k at 24", 5k at 27" and 6k at 32". Apple won't make a display that doesn't align to that, since macOS doesn't handle anything else perfectly.
the new iMac is 4.5k at 24"
Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max
#816These are still going to be used in laptops with soldered flash chips for the SSD. Apple's laptops aren't meant to be used by people who expect to repair their laptop when the storage fails. Many people don't have access to replacement chips and services to have the flash chips found on the board replaced. It's as if their hardware is meant to be e-waste. The RAM is still not ECC. They focus so much on the shallow ma…
My Windows desktop has generated significantly more e-waste per year than the Macs I have owned. Full stop. I've upgraded SSDs from 500gb to 1TB to now 2TB, upgraded graphics cards, and replaced a massive broken aluminum and copper heatsink. All in the last two years.
I've had the same MacBook, in a similar timeframe. It gets just as much use. Its still rock-solid.
Your concern is a hypothetical one. The inability to upgrade has, in a VERY REAL sense, meant for me: I overbuy specs upfront, so I don't have to upgrade (and thus, generate e-waste). It also experientially means that the machines are more reliable. The least wasteful machine is one that doesn't have to be upgraded; not one that can be and needs to be. The 500gb of storage I have in my MacBook sometimes feels limiting; but the cost of upgrading (a whole new machine) has stopped me from actually going out and doing it; and thus less e-waste is generated.
Eventually I will brainstorm what to do with this machine once its outlived its useful life as a laptop. I'm thinking, server rack. We've got Asahi, its got thunderbolt so wiring up super fast storage drives is a cinch.
Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max
#817Apple Magic Keyboard, Mouse and Trackpad are stil Lightning, I cannot believe it
Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max
#818Earlier quoted context omitted.
The new M3 14" MBP seems to be a red herring - why does it even exist? Why not just refresh the MBA instead? An obvious rule of thumb is for "Pro"-branded laptops to only use "Pro"-branded chips. It's what they follow for the iPhone lineup, but I suppose iPad Pros also use non-Pro chips. Just seems like a very confusing SKU to create, and definitely something Steve wouldn't approve of.
I personally struggle with the 14". It feels too small to be productive on, at least for coding. Anyone else experience this? And yet, the MBA's screen in comparison is serviceable and nice, but nothing outstanding. That's the case for the MBP 14 (when the 16 is just too large and bulky).
> I personally struggle with the 14". It feels too small to be productive on, at least for coding. Anyone else experience this?
absolutely not... working for 10 years on 13/14 and never _felt_ that way I get this is personal ;)
Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max
#819A few things I noticed, as I'm seeing the variety of SKUs becoming more complex. - Note that memory bandwidth is down. M2 Pro had 200GB/s, M3 Pro only has 150GB/s. M3 Max only has 400GB/s on the higher binned part. - Just like the low-spec M3 14" has one fewer Thunderbolt port, it also doesn't officially support Thunderbolt 4 (like M1/M2 before it) - The M3 Pro loses the option for an 8TB SSD. Likely because it was a…
The new M3 14" MBP seems to be a red herring - why does it even exist? Why not just refresh the MBA instead? An obvious rule of thumb is for "Pro"-branded laptops to only use "Pro"-branded chips. It's what they follow for the iPhone lineup, but I suppose iPad Pros also use non-Pro chips. Just seems like a very confusing SKU to create, and definitely something Steve wouldn't approve of.
It replaces the 13 inch macbook pro with m2. Apple always has a “pro” macbook at that price point and it is one of the better selling macbooks, because not all “pro” users have a need for cpu grunt. A lawyer, for example, probably wants a “pro” class of hardware but doesn’t need more than an 8 gb m1. You could argue they should get a macbook air, but this 14 inch macbook pro is effectively that but with a better screen and more ports, which is exactly what that kind of buyer needs.
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#820Why do some of the chips (m3 pro only?) have 18g and 36g models, vs more traditional 16g and 32g? Can't find any explanation for it, just a lot of reposting of the specs in various sites.
See this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38078282 seems to be based on available LPDDR5X chip sizes?