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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by gnicholas »

taeric wrote: post #800
gnicholas wrote: post #774

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I absolutely see that limitation. But as I mentioned in my example, a "household" does not cease to exist when it leaves that shared roof. The group is defined based on where they live, regardless of whether they are together at any given moment, or if they are under a different roof together (and whether that different roof is part of a hotel, condo, or vacation home).

It totally ceases when you leave the shared roof. Is why me and my siblings shared a household with our parents, but don't share one now that we have moved out.

OP referred to an intact family unit that has multiple homes. They are still a household because, unlike your example, the are still intact. It's obvious that once you move out permanently, you're not part of the household anymore. But the original examples, and all of mine, refer to temporary relocations of an intact family unit.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by ilyt »

SpaghettiCthulu wrote: post #742
ilyt wrote: post #713

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I'd imagine they stick some kind of device fingerprint and only start bothering user if there is too many of new devices that never share same network. Or maybe ping lan for other netflix app. Or remember the MAC address of router or something.

> Or maybe ping lan for other netflix app. Or remember the MAC address of router or something. Things that an app or website shouldn't even be able to do without clear permissions.

https://amiunique.org/ is fun thing to look at.

Thankfully getting MAC of router or other similar network stuff would be hard from browser.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by taeric »

gnicholas wrote: post #811
taeric wrote: post #800

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It totally ceases when you leave the shared roof. Is why me and my siblings shared a household with our parents, but don't share one now that we have moved out.

OP referred to an intact family unit that has multiple homes. They are still a household because, unlike your example, the are still intact. It's obvious that once you move out permanently, you're not part of the household anymore. But the original examples, and all of mine, refer to temporary relocations of an intact family unit.

I am sympathetic, but to pretend a household is multiple houses feels forced, to say the least. Would be like claiming you have multiple primary houses. Can make a sense, in very narrow cases. Largely not what anyone thinks that term means. To claim otherwise seems bad faith.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by crvdgc »

iamsaitam wrote: post #173

The movie "The Green Knight" came into Germany's Netflix recently. An English movie about an Arthurian legend and you can only watch it in German without any subtitles. Ludicrous. Can someone shed some light on the regulations in practice regarding subtitles? As an expat living in Germany, there's plenty of times that the offerings have no subtitles in English and are dubbed. Do they have to pay more license fees to…

> Do they have to pay more license fees to include English subtitles?

Yes. I asked the customer service in Japan and they told me that subtitles are licensed separately.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by poorlyknit »

hurril wrote: post #132
hurril wrote: post #90

I can understand the outrage over content, wokeness, the direction, etc. But being angry over having to pay for services rendered? Come on. Don't use Netflix (or the alternatives) as a comfy Piratebay. Get it together, we're not children.

Fascinating to get downvoted for saying: pay for things you use. I hope you're proud of yourselves. My salary comes from people that buy product from my employer. What you're saying is that I should work for free for you guys. (No, I do not work at either of the streaming services.)

> pay for things you use.

The problem isn't paying for Netflix, it is that their earlier "love is sharing a password", "sharing is caring" etc. campaign made it seem like password sharing is sanctioned and therefore included in the price. I understand that people are upset now that Netflix have changed their stance without changing the price.

Also I think the downvotes are because of your tone, e.g.

> you're saying is that I should work for free for you guys

is unnecessary hyperbole.

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Post by wkat4242 »

bigiain wrote: post #807
wkat4242 wrote: post #799

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> instead of just going "pay us X per view, regardless of who you are" Yeah and this is actually how the music industry is doing this and it works great. Spotify, Apple Music, Deezer etc all work fine alongside one another.

Sadly, I think you'll find the artists have a much less rosy view of that. "We'll cut the people creating that art's earnings down to millicent's per stream and even screw them over on that, and we'll share all the profits equitably between the rent seeking middle men" doesn't really count as "works great" for everybody...

Isn't that how the music industry has always worked? The record labels have always screwed artists, except the biggest ones.

But anyway, it's better than getting nothing like it used to be :) Spotify and the like have really managed to stop piracy.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by gnicholas »

taeric wrote: post #813
gnicholas wrote: post #811

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP referred to an intact family unit that has multiple homes. They are still a household because, unlike your example, the are still intact. It's obvious that once you move out permanently, you're not part of the household anymore. But the original examples, and all of mine, refer to temporary relocations of an intact family unit.

I am sympathetic, but to pretend a household is multiple houses feels forced, to say the least. Would be like claiming you have multiple primary houses. Can make a sense, in very narrow cases. Largely not what anyone thinks that term means. To claim otherwise seems bad faith.

> pretend a household is multiple houses

To me this reads as a category error. Households are made up of people, and houses are made of wood. But if you want to pay more to Netflix when you visit a friend's cabin, or your own, I won't get in your way!

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

bragr wrote: post #609
webmobdev wrote: post #595

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According to a TF article in 2012 - https://torrentfreak.com/top-bittorrent-countries-in-the-wor... - Spain was one of the top 10 countries of torrent downloaders. Is there any statistics of torrent users (by country) for 2023? It will be interesting to see if those million outraged spanish Netflix users have now turned to torrenting Netflix shows.

Are torrents even the primary methods of piracy now? That's an actual question: I get the impression that a lot of piracy has switched to grey market file hosting and streaming sites, but I don't have the perspective to say if that's accurate.

I stumbled on a paid sub that i am able to access via IPTV / OTT.

Most of my network that is from LATAM seems to be on it. EU seems to be lagging, but iberians are jumping on it slowly. I have no idea what USA peeps are doing.

Buying it involved whatsapping with someone far away and sending pic of the wire sent page. It was cheap and fast, tho highly unorthodox

Service works well. Main issue is that most of the content is in spanish. Only about 2k movies are native english, but i suspect a big chunk of movies may have 2nd audio channel for eng. Most series seem to have that 2nd channel. Content is brand new and works. Also seems like there are a million live channels.

I dont trust web based streams anymore. Too many poppups and games being played with ads. It was only a matter of time until i got kissed by with drive-by malware.

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Post by Zuiii »

notatoad wrote: post #707
kergonath wrote: post #691

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I don’t know about Google. But in Appleland you can have children in your family without letting them use the payment card associated with the family. You definitely can prevent them completely from buying anything (my situation), but IIRC you can also let them buy stuff once an adult has approved. It sounds like a reasonable system.

google has the same thing - purchase approvals so your kids can only request to purchase stuff, not actually purchase it

Then couldn't account sharers use the same trick?

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Post by nmz »

OJFord wrote: post #753
nmz wrote: post #508

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Seems like a bad example, QI doesn't have a storyline ergo you don't need earlier seasons.

That's an argument for it not mattering, maybe, but still not a reason to do it?

Why would you willingly not diversify your portfolio?

Buy what you can when you can afford it. It seems like good business strategy?

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