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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by arepublicadoceu »

moralestapia wrote: post #697
runjake wrote: post #503

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> I am surprised I am getting downvoted Probably for this statement: > FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. and subsequently for this flamey statement: > You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product. FWIW, it seems like you got incredibly lucky. In recent years, I've been t…

>FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. They are, though. I'm on my 4th MacBook and all have lasted me at least 5 years. The reason I upgrade them is to get more speed/specs, not because they stopped working, I even sold them and made back some small $$. PS The touchbar thing was nonsense, I didn't jump on that, as well as other gimmicks. Still the MBP is a solid option.

Is 5 years any kind of achievement? I’m currently running a generic hp laptop from 2012(?). Not a single issue. Just had to insert one more 8gb ram, to keep chrome happy, and change the ssd once. Everything else still works fine.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by bastard_op »

Is it truly a global slump, or are people just buying more reasonably priced laptops that aren't Apple? No matter how much someone really likes an Apple, if they're financially strapped, they're going to buy whatever they can afford, and Mac's are most certainly a premium spend not everyone can make.

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Post by buzzert »

dagmx wrote: post #398
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #145

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Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

> A culture that’s always willing to accommodate new people What America are you talking about? Immigration to the USA has always been hard and a very contentious topic. The previous president was largely voted in on his anti immigrant policy (both for legal and illegal immigration). We’re still undoing his damage to the immigration system today. Prior to that, America has had a very fraught history with immigrants a…

> The previous president was largely voted in on his anti immigrant policy (both for legal and illegal immigration). We’re still undoing his damage to the immigration system today.

The Trump administration's H1B reform was focused on paying immigrants more money [0]. This did not have the effect of reducing high-skilled immigration, nor was it its intention.

> It’s not a culture that’s willing to accommodate new people. It’s a capitalist machine that sees new people as valuable buyers and workers.

The US is one of the few countries that accepts immigrants not based on education/skills merit[1] (except for H1B, which is largely gamed by Silicon Valley to acquire foreign talent). This is in contrast to Canada or Australia, where the only hope you have to immigrate to those countries as a national from a country with a very high volume of immigration (e.g., India or China) is to get an advanced degree.

[0]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-announces-...

[1]: https://econofact.org/should-immigrants-be-admitted-to-the-u...

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by DrBenCarson »

p0nce wrote: post #793
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Lmao how much does that weigh?

A lot :/

Which is fine if you’re mostly stationary but for someone who travels a lightweight and performant laptop with all-day battery is a game changer. Only Apple has that at the moment.

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Post by surfingdino »

raydev wrote: post #643
donkeyd wrote: post #266

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Almost exactly 2 years ago, I bought an M1 Air for €1050. That same M1 Air is still being sold by that same store, but now costs €1126. That's a 7% rise in price for a laptop that's now 2,5 years old. This is just ridiculous.

All non-US countries experience this. Apple strictly ties pricing to some USD value, which at the baseline is not always 1:1 (meaning it may be more expensive taking into account conversion). If your country's dollar falls in value, Apple punishes your country. It's not fair to you as an individual, but it's how Apple have operated for at least the last 15 years.

We ought to consider ourselves lucky in the UK. We have Apple Stores that we can walk into a buy Macs. In the 1990s Mac were sold by authorised dealers who closed their stores at the end of the working day. The first Macs you could buy from major electronics retailers were the Performa models. I am not defending Apple, but Macs are more affordable and accessible than they were before while being priced at levels that are way above similar PC hardware. Just like they were before.

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Post by realusername »

scarface74 wrote: post #350
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I feel like Apple is shooting themselves in the foot with app developers. First you make your system a complete walled garden, you need Apple hardware to develop MacOS/iOS apps and there is no alternative. It would be one thing if you had a walled garden + affordable hardware but that's not the case, you have a walled garden and you have prohibitively expensive hardware to develop apps for that walled garden. Hell ev…

Yes because app developers aren’t going to develop for the phone being bought by people with the highest incomes and willingness to spend money. It’s been over a decade since indy developers really made a dent in the App Store. Android is not exactly a piece of cake to develop for, the tool chain is slow, the emulator is slow, the device market os fragmented and people are still mostly running old versions of Android…

I can agree with the market all you want but on the tech side, Android is miles ahead of Apple for any developer stuff, there's not even a debate.

xcode itself is 12GB and doesn't support partial updates, the projet file is some hot garbage and plays badly with git, the whole ide is lagging pretty hard on clicka, app upload is so broken Apple themselves had ro release a third party tool to bypass it, the developer portal looks like it hasn't changed since 2010 and has a number of shameful bugs...

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Post by dbg31415 »

Symbiote wrote: post #655
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> Electronics prices in the EU are simply crazy. I remember being upset that the same laptop cost more in Australia than it did in the US, then I realized that it had a lot more to do with Australia's corporate tax rates. Turns out... companies do pass on taxes to the end purchasers. It feels, and I don't mean offense here, that if the EU wants to tell companies which power plugs they can use, and stay heavy-handed w…

> He wanted to buy it in the US since it was so much cheaper. He needs to declare it when he returns to the EU, and pay the same taxes. (Assuming it costs more than €430, which is the limit for bringing personal goods into the EU by plane.)

I understand that receipts are required by law, but in my experience, no one checks for them unless you leave your laptop in the box (or declare it). If you put it in a laptop bag or simply say that it's a work laptop, you will likely not be questioned. I have traveled to over 25 countries with a laptop and have never had any issues.

It seems that everyone buys laptops in the US and brings them home this way; whether they are in Australia, Costa Rica -- or even the EU -- on a personal level, nobody wants to pay more, especially not more taxes.

The only time I have paid import taxes was when I sent a used phone and laptop to a person on Reddit who needed them in Canada. Even though the devices were over five years old, the Canadian tax authorities wanted me to pay new retail prices for them. I paid the taxes so that the kid could receive the devices. I'm pretty sure I could have just declared them as having a value of $100, but by the time I got involved the kid had already said it was an "Apple Laptop" and the Postal Mounties just assumed a new sticker price. Frustrating.

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Post by f6v »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #374
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> The newest models are simply overpriced. They are expensive, but in the same range as other manufacturers in the similar segment. It’s just that Apple doesn’t make a cheap laptop, unlike Lenovos and HPs.

No they're not. No one else is selling 8gb ram/256 gb ssd for $1300.

Surface laptop with the same specs is 1129 EUR in Germany (Mediamarkt). And M2 is going to have a better performance than i5 inside Surface. It’s the same price class. You can get ridiculous and compare both to something like Lenovo V17 for 479 EUR, of course…

P.S. And we haven’t even touched Razer Blade.

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Post by bombcar »

pertymcpert wrote: post #613
oblio wrote: post #286

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> America, meanwhile, has decent native birth rate No, it doesn't. It's about 1.8 and dropping, and most of the higher values in that group are from recent immigrants, which are also having fewer kids. Educated folks also have lower fertility rates. The US is basically a mirror of Western Europe in this regard: https://www.statista.com/statistics/226292/us-fertility-rate... > AND a culture that's always willing to ac…

In the modern world, 1.8 is very solid. Easily can make up for that with immigration.

At some point you run out of places for people to immigrate from unless you just empty entire countries.
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