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Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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Maybe there's a middle-ground between zero IP and the near perpetual IP we have right now. Additionally, we must keep in mind in those debates that piracy causing loss of revenue has never been proven and is an urban legend.

Piracy (stealing) _has_ to cause loss of revenue. It’s right in the definition. There’s no way around it. There’s also a moral component to all this. Regardless of the calculus, if a creator says they don’t want to give their product away for free, that they’d like to be paid for every copy, we should respect that.

> Piracy (stealing)

Mislabeling (lying) is not a good way to start an argument.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

#812

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> Piracy (stealing) _has_ to cause loss of revenue. It’s right in the definition. There’s no way around it. No that's not, that's an urban legend, feel free to point me to some aggregated research studies proving this, the copyright lobbies never managed to prove that during multiple decades. Repeating something over and over again on TV by paid lobbyist doesn't make it true, you have to prove it. > Regardless of the…

If I produce a song and sell 1,000 copies for $1 each, but 1,000 copies are stolen by people who don’t pay me $1 for their copy, I get $1,000 instead of $2,000. That’s just how the math works out. Same as any other form of theft.

Your entire premise that copyright infringement is theft is wrong. That is not the case, neither morally nor legally.

As a result, your argumentation is flawed. The 1000 "pirated" copies were never copies that you had. Even in a world where you could magically prevent all sharing of information you would not have that many more copies sold.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

#813

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> Intellectual property is an unnatural, made up construct that will one day be seen as ridiculous as absolute monarchy is today. Not so sure about the monarchy thing, nominally yes, but we're certainly moving to renting everything content-related, and even back to political and corporate feudalism in many aspects, we might as well be peasants whose feudal lords own everything...

as it should be peasant. now get back to work!!! /s with the concept of 1%ers and how imbalanced the wealth distribution is, it doesn't really seem like it's much different than the days of feudal lords. it just seems like we've been tricked into thinking there was a middle class to keep the revolting to a minimum.

In response to the [dead] sibling comment, who says that the 99% are having a satisfactory life?

Less and less people can even affort to own a home. The has been very little reduction in the average work week and the retirement age is going up in most countries. Do you think e.g. the people currently protesting in France are doing so because they are satisfied with their lives?

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

#814

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Why doesn't the plumber deserve a payment every time you shit then? Effective sewage systems prevent devastating diseases like cholera and typhus. Surely that's a higher social utility than a trashy Harlequin novel or any of the works of Kevin Federline? Also, fuck you for assuming I've never made any art. I'd be fine if anything I've drawn, painted, or written became public domain after twenty years. If I wanted to…

> Why doesn't the plumber deserve a payment every time you shit then? Pretty sure the plumber is getting (very) decently paid for their work. Pretty sure the people who planned and installed the sewage system were well remunerated. Pretty sure the person who wrote the trashy Harlequin novel in your example has to grind pretty hard to earn enough to buy their, let's say, diabetic medication. > Also, fuck you for assum…

> Pretty sure the plumber is getting (very) decently paid for their work. Pretty sure the people who planned and installed the sewage system were well remunerated.

These are generally not considered desirable jobs so why are you so sure they are paid their due? After all you are using the result of their labour every day, so why are you unwilling to pay more.

> Pretty sure the person who wrote the trashy Harlequin novel in your example has to grind pretty hard to earn enough to buy their, let's say, diabetic medication.

Medical costs don't affect artists more than others and in some countries we have come up with other ways to pay for them collectively.

> And thank you for speaking up on behalf of all artists and kindly telling us all that we should expect 20 years worth of almost nothing out of efforts, instead of a lifetime.

And you can speak for all artsts then? Of course the idea that only copyright holders should have a say about copyright policy is ridiculous in the first place - it has always been a deal between creators and everyone else. If one "side" (and really, these aren't separate sides but mostly overlapping groups) feels that they are getting less out of the deal then the other side can't just say "but I want to be paid forever".

> So licence it CC-0. Or release it to the Public Domain. Knock yourself out.

Or argue for copyright reform. We don't owe it to you to support your choice to make a living off of art - you could always work as a plumber if you thing they are very decently paid.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

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What happened to Google Books? I would argue the artist still deserves to retain value, regardless of the size of it unless they give it up. If it expires, sure it's public domain.

The artist does deserve to retain value for some time, but the question is how long should that be such that all interests are balanced? As an author myself, I think the proper copyright term is ~15 years from the copyright inception. (Disclosure: I give my stuff away for free online--people buy paper copies if the want them, so I'm not a publisher's idea of a model author.) A relative handful of publishers/authors w…

> The artist does deserve to retain value for some time

Hard disagree. We have chosen to allow the artist to retain a monopoly for a limited time because we though it would encoruage the cration of more art. The only valid argument for copyright is one that shows it benefits society as a whole.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

#816

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Why do u need a blockchain? Why not just torrents for sharing.

IPFS has some theoretical merits, such as not relying on discrete trackers (which is a point of failure), and at present we have a bunch of mirrors that speeds it up. However, BitTorrent has a better track record regarding resilience against interference (from copyright mafia) or other bad actors. IPFS has so far not openly supported this usage.

Trackerless torrents via DHT have been a thing for decades.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

#817
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Just to clarify, what are the consequences of their actions? It appears to be a clear case of copyright infringement. Therefore, I assume that the legal penalties listed on this website ( https://www.lib.purdue.edu/uco/infringement ) can be applied in this case: - The infringer paying the monetary damages and profits. - The law offering a range from $200 to $150,000 for each infringed work. - The infringer paying for…

The consequences may be the loss of the entire Internet Archive, if it can't afford to both pay the fines of deciding to ++++ around and find out with book publishers and running its servers at the same time.

You can say "fuck". Not doing so just makes your comment less clear, and forces the reader to go "what's with the pluses, is it a keyboard issue? Oh wait, the commenter is just censoring the word 'fuck' here, which I as a reader know since since 'fuck around and find out' is a common English expression".

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

#818

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Why do u need a blockchain? Why not just torrents for sharing.

Torrents can't be updated.

That's not neccesarily a bad thing. Once you release something you shouldn't be able to gaslight people by silently updating it - instead, release a new verson with a new torrent.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

#819

Yikes. I borrow books constantly from the IA that are hard/impossible to find elsewhere because they've gone out of print. A lot of academic-ish non-fiction from the 1960s-1980s, stuff you can only otherwise get through inter-library loan that takes weeks rather than seconds. Any idea if this means IA has to shut down lending by when? Tomorrow? Next month? Any chances for appeal here? Or any chance they relocate the…

I guess they should move the site to Russia - better chance of staying alive.

Better chance of staying alive and complete if they can remain in the US but additionally we build seperate archives in the EU, Russian and as many geographically and politically distant regions as we can.

Re: Judge decides against Internet Archive

#820

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The consequences may be the loss of the entire Internet Archive, if it can't afford to both pay the fines of deciding to ++++ around and find out with book publishers and running its servers at the same time.

You can say "fuck". Not doing so just makes your comment less clear, and forces the reader to go "what's with the pluses, is it a keyboard issue? Oh wait, the commenter is just censoring the word 'fuck' here, which I as a reader know since since 'fuck around and find out' is a common English expression".

I can, but I choose not to. :) It's a bit more obvious with asterisks instead of plusses, but asterisks tend to be consumed by markdown-like parsing behaviors, and then I have to figure out escaping syntax, etc.
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