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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by motiejus »

foepys wrote: post #777
motiejus wrote: post #765

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Google removed jack from Pixel, and I went shopping for an alternative when my last pixel broke down. Here is my filter: https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?chk35mm=selected&sSIMT... Ip68 is important. I went with xperia 10, and am positively surprised. Fits all the checkboxes and less undesired software than google. I don't have the mandatory search bar in the front screen!

Your filter includes only eSIM but if you also include nanoSIM, you get 183 instead of only 5 results which is quite a lot. More than I expected.

I need the eSim. :) Obviously removing the filter yields more.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by vanilla_nut »

cassepipe wrote: post #794
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

You can get a refurbished Samsung Galaxy S7 for under 99$: https://www.backmarket.com/en-us/l/samsung-galaxy-s7/d416373... And it will under guaranty for at least six months. The website guarantees a at least 70% of the orginal capable batteryu That's what I have. Has a jack, a physical home button and back button, a microSD slot. Don't know your expectations but the camera is better than the expensive camera I bough…

Similarly, I recently picked up a Sony XZ1 Compact for cheap. It's a brilliantly sized phone with an SD card slot, fingerprint reader, and headphone jack. Turns out flagship processors from 2017 still work just fine, especially when you have ad blockers to keep the nastiest globs of JS from trashing your CPU and battery.

It's a fair bit bigger than my old 2016 iPhone SE, but it's actually smaller than the iPhone Mini.

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Post by palata »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #578
palata wrote: post #575

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That's a wrong look at security, I think. Everything is "pwnable", if you put enough resources into it. The question is how much resources do you need to put into it? If you have a 5 years-old never-patched Android, probably a student can go read disclosed security issues, pick one that they understand (or for which they found a tutorial online), and hack you. It's not the same thing as saying that your patched iPhon…

No shit. It's important but I'm wondering if it's overrated. It's a phone. I've passed on lots of devices because they aren't supported for long. It makes me wonder if the security updates are a mere sales pitch that doesn't actually benefit the user a whole lot. Great, it's harder to hack me. Would I have been hacked if I stuck with my Pixel 3? Hard to say. Overrated

> security updates are a mere sales pitch that doesn't actually benefit the user a whole lot

Whose sales pitch would that be? I haven't noticed that, I believe security is mostly seen a source of cost.

Also we tend to change phone frequently, which is the same as a security update. But if you keep it for 5 years, it starts to matter more.

> Would I have been hacked if I stuck with my Pixel 3? Hard to say.

Everyone should fasten their seat belt when driving a car, but it does not mean at all that if you don't, then you will have an accident. But if you did, it is an established fact that the seat belt would probably help.

People do get hurt by security issues. Remember NSO Pegasus? Would you want that to be out in the wild, such that a kid in your daughter's school could get access to her phone/social media/camera/pictures?

I am pretty sure you do want some level of security.

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Post by denton-scratch »

LinuxBender wrote: post #2

Nice! I've been waiting for something like the FairPhone to show up in the US. A sweet bonus would be if they also provided and fully supported de-googled image or at least had an option to download the de-googled image after accepting some disclaimers. Or perhaps even set up a public community for phone hackers to help them build said image i.e. crowdsource the work . An optional large shell for a bigger battery wou…

I wonder how hackable this Nokia device is.

I have an old Nokia smartphone. I barely use it as a phone; really it's just for 2FA, when the provider insists on SMS for 2FA.

An inexpensive Android device which is hackable and exposes GPIO pins would make an interesting robotics platform. If this device supports replaceable CPU, then perhaps it also exposes GPIO.

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Post by noisem4ker »

paulmd wrote: post #459
solarkraft wrote: post #397

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At least 5 years of updates. So much so that I think it should probably be legally mandated and clearly marketed as the device's life span.

Yes, EU needs to step in and deal with the software lifespan problems on Android just as they have with ports and repairability on Apple. It is obvious that this is a market failure leading to negative social outcomes (e-waste) and phone vendors clearly are not going to deal with it on their own. This really should be from date-of-purchase and not date-of-launch as well. Otherwise you're leaving refurbished phones ou…

Work in progress.

"EU wants to enforce 5 years of security and 3 years of OS updates for all phones"

https://www.androidauthority.com/eu-smartphone-updates-rules...

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Post by _trackno5 »

noisy_boy wrote: post #751
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

They basically need four models to pretty much cover all the bases: 1. Budget: - Basic processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - Basic processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen 2. Flagship - High-end processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - High-end processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen

While I enjoy smaller phones, it makes no sense to have high end smaller phones.

It doesn’t sell.

Just look at Apple’s sales and their cancellation of the mini. I’d love it to be the opposite so I didn’t have to hold on to my iphone 12 mini, but it’s just how things are. Most people don’t like smaller phones and would be a waste of resources to make high end ones.

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Post by gbear605 »

wartijn_ wrote: post #793
noisy_boy wrote: post #751

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They basically need four models to pretty much cover all the bases: 1. Budget: - Basic processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - Basic processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen 2. Flagship - High-end processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - High-end processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen

There is a huge gab between high and low and devices. Some manufacturers will want to sell - and many consumers will buy- a few models that are more expensive than $150 but less than $1000.

Maybe I’m missing the hyperbole, but almost all iPhones and Google Pixels fit into that gap. The base iPhone 14 is $799, the iPhone SE is $429, and there are older model iPhones in between. Even the base iPhone 14 Pro is $999, technically in the range. A Pixel 7 is $599, a Pixel 7 Pro is $899, and a Pixel 6a is $449.

There’s perhaps a gap in the $150-$400 range, but used phones can definitely be found there, and I would bet that there are Android manufacturers that sell new phones there.

(All prices are USA and before tax, so other markets will be a bit more expensive.)

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Post by joshspankit »

_trackno5 wrote: post #816
noisy_boy wrote: post #751

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They basically need four models to pretty much cover all the bases: 1. Budget: - Basic processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - Basic processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen 2. Flagship - High-end processor/camera/space with 6 inch screen - High-end processor/camera/space with 4.5 inch screen

While I enjoy smaller phones, it makes no sense to have high end smaller phones. It doesn’t sell. Just look at Apple’s sales and their cancellation of the mini. I’d love it to be the opposite so I didn’t have to hold on to my iphone 12 mini, but it’s just how things are. Most people don’t like smaller phones and would be a waste of resources to make high end ones.

I buy them. I’d even suggest a deviation: make them a few mm thicker and fill the extra space with battery. I’d use a small powerful multi-day battery smartphone far more than anything else.

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Post by josephg »

t43562 wrote: post #761
hattmall wrote: post #665

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Phone software is basically a joke anyway. Is it not possible to emulate phones in the same manner?

The point of fixing security holes is sometimes to make it not possible to do certain things which applications may have been written to "expect". There's a bit of not being able to have your cake and eat it.

Tosh. The fact you can’t download old iOS apps from the App Store, nor can you run them on modern 64 bit iOS devices has nothing to do with apps using undocumented APIs.
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