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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by mightybyte »

kolinko wrote: post #466
johtso wrote: post #401

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I think there's also an argument to be made that $20 per month is a bigger deal than some people realise. The issue isn't just _that one_ specific subscription you're paying for. The issue is how they all accumulate over time.. and eventually you find that your metaphorical bucket of money has turned into a leaky sieve. Not to mention all the services you forget to unsubscribe from even though they've ceased to provi…

Sure, but with some things, the increase in productivity pays off the price easily - you end up earning more, or working way less. $20/mo for a subscription of NYT, or Netflix is not one of those things. But ChatGPT in many cases can save whole days of work over each month, so - especially when you're a freelancer, it will pay itself off.

> especially when you're a freelancer

I think that's the big qualifier here. The productivity paying off the price is only meaningful if your time and money are arbitrarily fungible for each other, and for most people they are not. There's a good chance they won't be able to find a way to convert that saved time into the corresponding $20+ needed to pay the bill. And if finances are tight, $20/month might be a deal breaker.

Even if you're a freelancer, if your projects have billing caps related to the number of hours you expect to work then you don't necessarily have adequate time/money fungibility. $20 a month also might not be worth the cost of going out and acquiring a new project.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

majani wrote: post #799
frontman1988 wrote: post #61

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Never gonna come from 'OpenAI'. ChatGPT is deliberately handicapped in order to milk money from corporate America. An unrestricted LLM trained on all data of humanity (including all the pirated books/research papers) would be one crazy beast. Hopefully some rich anarchist/maverick actually builds something like it. That untamed model would unveil the true extent of what AI can really do. Till then we will have to wai…

Untamed models get trolled in the media till they are DOA. Remember Microsoft Tay?

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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by dzikimarian »

evrydayhustling wrote: post #752
johtso wrote: post #401

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I think there's also an argument to be made that $20 per month is a bigger deal than some people realise. The issue isn't just _that one_ specific subscription you're paying for. The issue is how they all accumulate over time.. and eventually you find that your metaphorical bucket of money has turned into a leaky sieve. Not to mention all the services you forget to unsubscribe from even though they've ceased to provi…

Let's say you make $10 / hr. To break even, a $20 tool needs to save you 2h a month. Divided over 20 workdays and it must save you 6m per day. If a tool can't save you 10-15m per day, it doesn't deserve a "throughout the day" slot IMHO. Which isn't to say that ChatGPT fits that bill for me - I think it requires too much supervision to save time. But people are too cheap about genuinely useful tools.

For me problem with many tools is subscription model, not that I have to pay. You build your workflow around a few subscription tools, then something bad happens. You need to cut expenses. Apart from shitty situation in general, your workflow falls apart and you're unhappy about lowered standard of living, making it more probable to further worsen your life. It simply feels bad.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by varjag »

billti wrote: post #679
m463 wrote: post #308

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This is one of those puzzling things to me. You own your life - why not spend your own money for the things that make you and your life better? Who cares? I worked at a job where I had a small, crappy monitor. I made decent cash. I just bought a large decent monitor and brought it into work. I ended up using it for many years. My life was significantly better. I've done that at several jobs since then, and NEVER regr…

I buy my own laptop for work. Work will give me a good one, but I want a GREAT one. It’s the one tool I need to do my job, and I’ll be using it over 40 hours a week. It’s a few thousand dollars, but I make a comfortable six figure salary, and I think it’s worth it.

This is increasingly less feasible with fleet managed corporate devices.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by zxienin »

extr wrote: post #107

I've been using ChatGPT pretty consistently during the workday and have found it useful for open ended programming questions, "cleaning up" rough bullet points into a coherent paragraph of text, etc. $20/month useful is questionable though, especially with all the filters. My "in between" solution has been to configure BetterTouchTool (Mac App) with a hotkey for "Transform & Replace Selection with Javascript". This i…

> model: "text-davinci-003"

I was surprised at first, but I notice you're using GPT-3 model, not chatGPT (no API so far)

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by geekrax »

chewmieser wrote: post #623
LeoPanthera wrote: post #613

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They're not using ChatGPT, they're using GPT-3, which has an API. There is a ChatGPT API coming but it's not available yet. It is infuriating how everyone is describing all GPT models as "ChatGPT". It's very misleading.

Supposedly there is a hidden model that you can use via the API that actually is ChatGPT. One of the libraries mentioned in these comments is using it. Edit: this one https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/chatgpt-api

In case anyone wants to replace davinci-003 with the chat GPT model, the name is `text-chat-davinci-002-20230126`

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by geekrax »

MattRix wrote: post #807
optimalsolver wrote: post #604

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ChatGPT has been retrained with a method called Reinforcement Learning with Human Advice [0], effectively making it a very different model: [0] https://openai.com/blog/deep-reinforcement-learning-from-hum...

It’s not a “very different model”, it’s still heavily based on davinci (aka GPT 3.5)

That's what makes it "different".

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by CSMastermind »

ShamelessC wrote: post #681
kfrzcode wrote: post #642

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Can you help me understand why the ChatGPT model has an inherent bias towards Joe Biden and against Donald Trump? This is not really what I would expect from a large language model .......

Reality has an inherent liberal bias. In all honesty though, the dataset it was trained on may have a liberal bias. This is _precisely_ the sort of bias you should expect from a large language model .............................

Weren't Reddit posts part of the core data set used to train the model?

That alone probably explains the bias.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by weatherlite »

jghn wrote: post #597
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #292

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He's a programmer. They re cheaper than scrooge. They'll write a tool themselves in 6 months rather than spend 10 dollars. Idk why but programmers are the cheapest people on earth in regards to programming tools. I bought Intellij idea for $400 like 12 years ago and got made fun of at work even though it made me substantially faster than eclipse.

$10 is much different than $20/month. I'm intrigued by ChatGPT as a work assistance tool. I have found it useful a number of times. But there's no way it's adding a contours $20/month of value to my day when I compare it to other things on which I spend my money. I'd rather just not have it than spend that much. $20 one time fee? Maybe. $20/mo? Not at all. This is no different than streaming media services. There are…

Probably prices will be pushed down eventually, Google, Apple, maybe Facebook and Chinese companies will all offer competing products.
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