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Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by fsckboy »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #660
kryogen1c wrote: post #562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Magnus' evidence of "it didn't seem like he was thinking very hard during critical junctures" is the nail in the coffin for me. If he has a history of stealing cars AND his new car is hot wired? Possible it's legal? Sure. Let's not twist our hands about a grand theft auto charge, however.

I don’t think you can call the opinion of the famous player who lost about how hard he thought his opponent was thinking during the game evidence without twisting the meaning of the word past the breaking point.

> calling how hard he thought his opponent was thinking during the game evidence

we can't accept Magnus's testimony on this point, but we can understand that Magnus can consider it himself to be evidence, and he's simply telling us that's what he's doing.

I also think Magnus believes he has additional information about the extent of Hans's cheating, and that's what he can't share without Hans's permission, probably Hans's logs of his online activity that chess.com has, or something like that.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by [deleted] »

rdlw wrote: post #676
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #661

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I think you might want to read the rules of chess tournaments. You will quickly realise that in fact Magnus doesn’t have a choice of who he plays against and can’t actually resign for no reason.

What rule is there against resigning?

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Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by dwohnitmok »

rdlw wrote: post #676
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #661

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might want to read the rules of chess tournaments. You will quickly realise that in fact Magnus doesn’t have a choice of who he plays against and can’t actually resign for no reason.

What rule is there against resigning?

I'm not sure about the specifics of chess, but in most other kinds of competitions there are either explicit rules against or implicit agreements not to resign too early, i.e. throwing the match. If you resign when you are not actually losing, you are advantaging your opponent over all other players in the tournament (this matters a lot for tournaments with round-based elimination).

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by [deleted] »

rbongers wrote: post #495
lvl102 wrote: post #352

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I don’t think you understand why cheating is so bad. Once you know your opponent COULD BE cheating, your approach changes entirely. You will know this if you played against Stockfish.

What was the evidence that Hans COULD be cheating on top of the two incidents we know about? Was it, for example, video evidence of Hans using Stockfish on an illegal phone during an OTB tournament, or was it second hand accounts of Hans cheating during an online game years ago after he claimed to stop? We have no idea and that's still the issue, even if this topic is entirely about making players more comfortable an…

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Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by [deleted] »

spuz wrote: post #560
Waterluvian wrote: post #494

I have no opinions on the actual event given I have no clue what the details are. But accusing someone of cheating without any concrete evidence doesn’t sit well with me. It creates a situation where it declares all exceptional cases impossible. It’s impossible for growth. It’s impossible that someone could lose to a weaker player. I suspect that people are able to say “even without concrete evidence, this is astrono…

I think you're uneasy because you're assuming the accusation of cheating has to do with the outcome of Hans's games but I don't believe that's the criterion Magnus is using. Magnus has been beaten many times before, but that doesn't automatically cause him to suspect his opponent of cheating. Magnus's suspicions arise from a sum of many different factors some of which he mentioned in this tweet and some of which he c…

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Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by mccorrinall »

PKop wrote: post #690
tradertef wrote: post #655

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He admits to cheating in the video linked below. However, that's when he was 12 (and 16) and his friend helped. It is much more different situation then anal beads or electronics in your shoe. Disclaimer: don't know much about chess, let alone professional chess.

And chess.com and Magnus have disputed that Hans has admitted to all of the times he has cheated.

Then they should just provide evidence instead of allegations. Innocent until proven guilty.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by BalinKing »

8note wrote: post #510
p1necone wrote: post #468

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You could still run a chess engine offline on a decently powerful phone that would beat high rated players afaik.

Run an emp in the room before starting the game?

Finally, a practical use for tactical nuclear weapons.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by initplus »

flyax wrote: post #600
epolanski wrote: post #307

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Hans is known to have cheated, his coach is known to have cheated, add low security in the event, Hans beating Magnus (a player two tiers above him) on black pieces (Magnus has lost only 15 games against black in an entire world champion career) and Hans acting suspicious during the game and here we are.

chess.com suggests Hans cheated more than he admits. He did (much?) better in tournaments with zero delay. In a few consecutive tournaments, he made a lot of top engine moves, slightly above Magnus/Kasparov/Fisher at their best. He had a hard time explaining his lines in the interview after the game (with Firouzja I think).

The analysis of him doing better in broadcast/non-broadcast games was flawed, the analysis mis-categorized several of the tournaments in a way that made the conclusion stronger.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by porquilho »

erdevs wrote: post #97

A key fact to understand in thinking about cheating in over the board chess: a strong player can defeat a much stronger opponent with just 1-3 hints per game indicating the strongest move. For example, most chess experts agree that a ~2600 rated player with 2-3 hints at key moments per game would be expected to beat a ~2800 rated player. Many people might assume that a cheater needs guidance every move, thereby requi…

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