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Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Post by tasuki »

coastflow wrote: post #783
jjulius wrote: post #738

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Right - putting my loose leaf into a strainer or a gaiwan, and then emptying either of them, takes nearly no longer than grabbing my tea bag, opening it and dropping it into a cup.

There are additional steps. You need to take a spoon (extra tool), scoop out the loose leaf tea from the container, make sure not to spill it, and then pour it into the strainer. After steeping, you need to dump the used leaves (assuming you aren't planning to re-steep) with more potential for spillage than when disposing a tea bag, then take the strainer to the sink, add a tiny drop of dish soap, rinse the strainer,…

Oh since we're nitpicking... :)

> You need to take a spoon (extra tool), scoop out the loose leaf tea from the container

I tilt the container and use the Earth's gravity to get them leaves out. I'm not afraid to use my fingers when no one's watching! With puerh it's more of a fight, I'm not afraid to use whatever's at my disposal to pry the leaves out the cake.

> you need to dump the used leaves [...] with more potential for spillage than when disposing a tea bag

Yes but it's more ecological - the leaves can be composted while the tea bag can't.

> (assuming you aren't planning to re-steep)

I definitely am planning to re-steep. With puerh, I'm even going as far as disposing of the first two steeps. I'm too fancy to drink them!

> then take the strainer to the sink, add a tiny drop of dish soap, rinse the strainer, and find a place to dry it

The gaiwan goes inside the dishwasher like everything else.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Post by betwixthewires »

autoexec wrote: post #803
betwixthewires wrote: post #797

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We aren't talking about purchasing products anymore. We were talking about purchasing products at the store a minute ago. "If I don't participate in this economy I'll be homeless, so I have to by Gillette mach 20 disposable plastic razor cartridges." Do what you can where you can. Can you stop buying disposable razor cartridges made of plastic and still not be homeless? Then do so.

> "If I don't participate in this economy I'll be homeless, so I have to by Gillette mach 20 disposable plastic razor cartridges." More like: "I want to get a job, the employer requires me to not look homeless so I have to shave my face, which means I have to buy a razor, but I've never heard of double bladed razors, or seen them being offered for sale and every store I can access that sells razors only sells plastic…

I haven't shaved with a blade in 11 years, minus the one time 6 months ago I decided to see what this 10 blade thing was all about. I have gotten jobs in that time. Good jobs even. I have not been homeless once within that time frame. If I can do it, you can too.

> I've never heard of double bladed razors...

now you're jumping through flaming hoops to rationalize your excuses. I challenge you to find a man with hair on his face anywhere in the world who has never heard of single blade razors, straight razors, double blade razors, electrical razors, or trimming a beard with scissors.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Post by MrBlueIncognito »

betwixthewires wrote: post #796
yabones wrote: post #779

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That is a laughably bad source. Who Visits OilPrice.com? OilPrice.com's rapidly expanding and influential audience consists of investors, fund managers, resource bankers, traders, energy market professionals and high net worth individuals from all around the world but mainly North America, Canada, UK and Australia. Oil and gas industry executives from large multi-nationals to smaller independents Renewable energy com…

Alright, but what's wrong with the claims?

That they didn’t cite a reliable source. One can’t be expected to just “trust it.”

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Post by mgraczyk »

mellavora wrote: post #810
mgraczyk wrote: post #732

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Easy test. If I can't put the pan in the dishwasher, then it's not for me or people like me. You don't have to spend energy trying to convince us.

I've heard that you shouldn't put teflon pans in the dishwasher. I'm curious what pan is safe for the dishwasher? Pots yes. Pans not so sure.

It probably degrades them, but I wash each pan maybe once a month so it seems fine.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Post by wiether »

mgraczyk wrote: post #730
zgiber wrote: post #723

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I get the convenience part but the waste reduction itself is already worth the switch. Yeah your shaving cartridge or flaking teflon pan might be a drop in the ocean (perhaps literally) but when there are billions of humans around we should think about what inconvenience does it worth to keep our environment lovable.

I throw my cartridges in the trash, and they end up in a landfill forever with no environmental harm. I haven't looked into Teflon but I've disposed of ~1 pan in my entire life and still have the rest, so my impact is probably negligible. I choose to focus my time and energy minimizing environmental impact more effectively. For example, instead of using a DE razor, I use that time to commute by bike instead of car, T…

> they end up in a landfill forever with no environmental harm

Can you please explain to me how a landfill doesn't cause environmental harm?

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Post by mantas »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #648
ericmay wrote: post #604

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Yea... it was unfortunate that so many people focused on that instead of the general problem and now we are barreling toward a very bad outcome. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what wealthy people do - they're going to be just fine regardless of what the rest of us do, except that if we kick and scream about their big houses and refuse to do anything we just wind up inheriting the problem and they're still right where…

Greta Thunberg the way she travels to the conferences is admirable, she genuinely lives what she is talking about and it is a stark contrast to every single politician that turns up to a climate change conference with a giant team in a plane and lives extravagant lives. Its not about the complete abolition of everything its about the hypocrisy of being one of the biggest polluters in a country let alone the world whi…

Didn’t famous Greta’s yacht trip included flying two crews? One after the initial trip and another for return?

Simply flying would have been 10x better. Let alone joining via Zoom.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Post by mgraczyk »

wiether wrote: post #815
mgraczyk wrote: post #730

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I throw my cartridges in the trash, and they end up in a landfill forever with no environmental harm. I haven't looked into Teflon but I've disposed of ~1 pan in my entire life and still have the rest, so my impact is probably negligible. I choose to focus my time and energy minimizing environmental impact more effectively. For example, instead of using a DE razor, I use that time to commute by bike instead of car, T…

> they end up in a landfill forever with no environmental harm Can you please explain to me how a landfill doesn't cause environmental harm?

Chemicals can leech out of landfills into water tables and waterways. Landfills can also emit greenhouse gasses. None of these happen as a result of burying shaving cartridges.

It's no different than the sand that's already below ground. It essentially just sits there.

The production and transportation of the cartridge could harm the environment though, but that's a more complicated story.

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Post by soylentgraham »

mcronce wrote: post #795
oblio wrote: post #755

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The world where I want my shaving to be brainless.

Having used both, one is no more "brainless" than the other. It's the same shaving process. The only difference is cost.

I couldn't tell you why, but I have almost never cut myself, and never get nicks, ingrowing hair, razor burn etc with a safety razor. I maybe over-used the other razors (only 15 shaves!?)... and maybe with an exposed blade Im more careful (I really dont think so)... but i never went back. Far more precision too! Definitely not the same thing for me

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Post by [deleted] »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #756
eastbound wrote: post #729

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The collective has entire power over what you do. Global climate change was never solved by individual decisions, because when you live a different lifestyle than your workmates, you basically give up both the jobrace and the friends. As for myself, I absolutely blame society for having a house. I live in France where class warfare is still a thing, and living in a block with people of the other ethnicity is unthinka…

>I live in France where class warfare is still a thing, and living in a block with people of the other ethnicity is unthinkable (they raped my goddaughter, but that’s only one example of storied - they kill gays at the train station too, so I take my car). Jesus, do you live in _Banlieue 13_ or something? "They" ("the other ethnicity", as you put it) did nothing to your goddaughter. A criminal, on the other hand, did…

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Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Post by golem14 »

sergiomattei wrote: post #659
hackernewds wrote: post #647

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Why do you then use a double-edged razor? something doesn't add up

Yeah this doesn’t match up with my experience. Double edged gets to equivalent efficiency after the learning curve for me. Perhaps my hair is just soft, and I suspect it is, but I started out taking 10-15 minutes and now I can do a quick shave in 5. It lasts longer, it’s cheaper, and easier on my skin — I break out less often.

Hmm. Just for anecdata: my shaving takes maybe 40-60 seconds with a cartridge I keep about 6 months. Yes, I know, I should be ashamed :)
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